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Official Rudy Gobert Trade Ideas Thread

Handlogten's Heros said:
MJ and Kobe were both elite defenders though. They don't guard the opposing teams best player though.
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They were very good defenders for sure, but they weren't required to get that opposing team's best player.

Just imagine how good MJ had it. Against the Sonics, Pippen guarded Gary Payton. Against the Jazz, Pippen is guarding Stockton. Against the Pacers, Pippen is guarding Reggie so MJ can guard Jackson.

When MJ guarded Isaih, he got torched then Phil realized he should be guarding Isaih with Pippen. There's a reason why guys like Iverson, MJ and Steph are always so high in steals. They play more space than man because they have better defenders on their team to guard the other team's best player.
 
LoPo said:
This is nonsense. He needs to be able to defend, but......

Outside of LeBron one or two years and Kawhi one year, no title team's best player guards the other team's best player.

MJ didn't - Pippen did
Kobe didn't - Odom, Ariza, guys like that did
Steph didn't - Klay did

Superstar offensive players don't guard the opposing player's best offensive player. It's an illogical use of energy that few have ever done.
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MJ and Kobe both had multiple all-defensive-team selections. Gtfoh with that ********. You see Mitchell ever getting even one?

And the warriors had the players to make up for Steph's lack of D. But Steph's D was also underrated.
 
LogGrad98 said:
MJ and Kobe both had multiple all-defensive-team selections. Gtfoh with that ********. You see Mitchell ever getting even one?

And the warriors had the players to make up for Steph's lack of D. But Steph's D was also underrated.
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I never said that Don was on the level as those guys as defenders. I simply refuted the statement that someone said that Don won't be legit or something until he starts guarding the other team's best player. It was a stupid comment.

But Don actually did shut down Murray in Game 7 against Denver in the 2nd half, but he ran out of steam carrying the offense and defense in that 2nd half. Of course Glass Mike didn't come through when we needed him.

One last thing - Michael Jordan is the single most overrated player in league history. Still a legend, but his DPOY award was the biggest insult to basketball maybe ever. Jordan was never even the best defender on his own team. Phil Jackson said that.
 
If Gobert had Ayton's offensive skillset the Jazz would be playing the Suns in the conference finals right now instead of the Clippers.
 
Jingled said:
If Gobert had Ayton's offensive skillset the Jazz would be playing the Suns in the conference finals right now instead of the Clippers.
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Agreed.
Imagine if he had hakeems offensive skillset. We would win all the championships.
Of course if gobert had either of those players skillsets he probably wouldn't have been available at the 27th pick. There is a reason that guys like Ayton and Hakeem are usually top 3 picks and guys like gobert aren't.
 
Jingled said:
If Gobert had Ayton's offensive skillset the Jazz would be playing the Suns in the conference finals right now instead of the Clippers.
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One other thing to add, imagine if ayton had goberts defensive ability

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LoPo said:
I never said that Don was on the level as those guys as defenders. I simply refuted the statement that someone said that Don won't be legit or something until he starts guarding the other team's best player. It was a stupid comment.

But Don actually did shut down Murray in Game 7 against Denver in the 2nd half, but he ran out of steam carrying the offense and defense in that 2nd half. Of course Glass Mike didn't come through when we needed him.

One last thing - Michael Jordan is the single most overrated player in league history. Still a legend, but his DPOY award was the biggest insult to basketball maybe ever. Jordan was never even the best defender on his own team. Phil Jackson said that.
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Yeah take on the best player is not expected, agreed, but he has the tools to be at least a ++ defender, but he's barely a break-even defender even if he's applying himself. Corralling Murray is hardly top-notch defense, it really just shows that if we had had anyone who could just bother him he would never have had 2 fifty-point games.

And Jordan might be overrated but only someone who never watched the guy would question his defensive abilities. You don't get overrated onto 9 all-defense first teams, especially before he really took over the league. He won his DPOY 3 years before he even got to the finals.

But back to Mitchell, I really hope he works on that aspect of his game, we need him to be able to be a pesky defender and at least bother opposing guards. Murray is a great example of this. Frankly Donovan has the tools to have just plain shut Murray down but he really didn't do anything to slow him down until it was really too late. He needs to be better. Period.
 
LogGrad98 said:
But back to Mitchell, I really hope he works on that aspect of his game, we need him to be able to be a pesky defender and at least bother opposing guards. Murray is a great example of this. Frankly Donovan has the tools to have just plain shut Murray down but he really didn't do anything to slow him down until it was really too late. He needs to be better. Period.
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Here's where getting another 2 way player would help his game dramastically. At the current moment I think Don has to expend so much energy on the offensive end that he can seem somewhat turned off on the defensive end (I wouldn't be shocked if this is Quin telling him to do this basically saying you have Rudy behind you save your energy because you need him to create on offense). If you have a 2nd guy who can pick up the slack on both ends he can raise that defensive energy without sacrificing too much of the energy spent on offense.
 
That1UtahFan said:
Here's where getting another 2 way player would help his game dramastically. At the current moment I think Don has to expend so much energy on the offensive end that he can seem somewhat turned off on the defensive end (I wouldn't be shocked if this is Quin telling him to do this basically saying you have Rudy behind you save your energy because you need him to create on offense). If you have a 2nd guy who can pick up the slack on both ends he can raise that defensive energy without sacrificing too much of the energy spent on offense.
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The problem here is that he's actually had plenty of offensive help and it hasn't changed his defensive performance. I'm afraid he's probably just bad.
 
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