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I wonder if NO would ever have interest in moving BI. Get him, OG, and a flyer on Lonzo.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Can you quantify "a lot"?

To be fair, I am not prodding, I like BI and would love to see him on the Jazz. It doesn't seem he is the best fit where he is, potentially clashing with Zion. So from the stats I am just not seeing him as a net positive for them right now, if anything it's pretty flat. His win shares and WS/48 are the lowest they have been in 5 seasons, so he seems to be disconnected or just not having the same impact he has had in the past on the game. His BPM is flat as well, lowest it has been in 5 seasons as well. Seems like he isn't contributing to wins at the rate that would be expected of him from years past.
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Maybe their struggles presents a buy low opportunity to pair him with Lauri? I could live with that. He’s still only 25.
 
infection said:
I wonder if NO would ever have interest in moving BI. Get him, OG, and a flyer on Lonzo.
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If Lonzo can get healthy and turn it around that is really intriguing.

Lonzo
OG
Lauri
BI
Kessler

That is a tough lineup there.

Bring Dunn and Clarkson off the bench. Provided we could use other assets besides Clarkson to get any of these guys.

Nice.
 
Coach Ellis said:
I’d be totally fine with getting Ingram, but based on the cost (OG) and risk vs. reward (Ball) - Id much rather see the Jazz use their assets in other places.
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I don't disagree, but I think if you grab someone like BI then getting the next available guy to contend makes more sense.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Can you quantify "a lot"?

To be fair, I am not prodding, I like BI and would love to see him on the Jazz. It doesn't seem he is the best fit where he is, potentially clashing with Zion. So from the stats I am just not seeing him as a net positive for them right now, if anything it's pretty flat. His win shares and WS/48 are the lowest they have been in 5 seasons, so he seems to be disconnected or just not having the same impact he has had in the past on the game. His BPM is flat as well, lowest it has been in 5 seasons as well. Seems like he isn't contributing to wins at the rate that would be expected of him from years past.
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I can't. I get what you are saying tho and it has been a talking point among others about him so you aren't crazy. I just think he's turned the corner the past 2 or so years. I think the lack of continuity with injuries to his teammates has made it harder for him to turn the production to wins.
 
Im looking at BI metrics to try and understand the conundrum why he hasnt won them games this year despite having good basic stats and everything is looking either ok or ugly. Nothing jumps out positively.

PER ok at 16.8
PIE ok at 12.6
WS/48 ugly 0.67
OBPM bad 0.9, DBPM ugly -0.9
VORP ugly 0.5

Raptor/WAR ugly

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HermanG said:
Im looking at BI metrics to try and understand the conundrum why he hasnt won them games this year despite having good basic stats and everything is looking either ok or ugly. Nothing jumps out positively.

PER ok at 16.8
PIE ok at 12.6
WS/48 ugly 0.67
OBPM bad 0.9, DBPM ugly -0.9
VORP ugly 0.5

Raptor/WAR ugly

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Isn't the NO coach's personality the opposite of Will Hardy. Do they even run a system? BI may do very well in a different system.
 
whatthe said:
Isn't the NO coach's personality the opposite of Will Hardy. Do they even run a system? BI may do very well in a different system.
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I havent watched them at all.. but Hardys system should work for BI if he moves well off ball.

Im more worried about his defense based on the metrics and that 5-10 record without Zion. He has 3 games with positive BPM in those 15 games....

Would have to watch him to make a call either way.
 
BI has had a rough year being in and out of the lineup... last year he was more impactful. I think he might have been a touch overrated. I like him but he seems to really dominate the ball. Would be nice to see if the coach had a little more imagination and used him a little differently.

NO have good parts and some fit... but then its like they have too many parts and keep fumbling around trying to find something. CJ has a hand injury that likely is bothering him. Last night I just watched and thought - there is a lot more Josh Richardson than I'd like and you have Trey Murphy sitting on the bench. I just don't know what the "vision" is there.
 
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