Okay, I'm stupid and stuff...

[Gameface]

If you’re awake at 3 or 4AM on a regular basis, then your circadian rhythm isn’t being tended to. And if you’re doing what 90-99% of Americans are doing before bed (eating, drinking alcohol, bathing themselves in the blue light of their devices, etc.), then that is putting your sleep under further strain.

But I agree with you on one thing: how you use this site and how you come across to other people on this site provides very little to zero insights into how you’re ACTUALLY doing.

That said, it may have provide some insights. And you may not be aware of the signs that do leap through. For example, your behavior is consistent with someone with high cortisol levels... and that is consistent with ****ed sleep and diurnal rhythms....

My work schedule is 6pm to 6:30am. I eat, sleep, poop, shower, etc. at consistent times workdays or off days. Maybe I'm not understanding circadian rhythms correctly, but keeping those things consistent is part of what I understand it to be. I have done what 99% of the people I've worked with on nights do and completely flip their schedule to a day schedule on their days off. Usually by staying up for more than 24hrs on their first day off and then going to bed 10-11pm. Some of them get home at around 7am, get in bed by 8am then wake up at 10-12 instead of just staying up.

I tried that. Trust me, if you think you've seen crazy, you haven't. I was on the verge of getting a divorce. By staying on the same sleep schedule I'm a much more agreeable person.

And it doesn't help that I work a 2-2-3 schedule. (Week 1 work Monday, Tuesday. Off Wednesday, Thursday. Work Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Week 2 off Monday, Tuesday. Work Wednesday, Thursday. Off Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Rinse repeat.) That schedule blows, hard.

 

[NAOS]

My work schedule is 6pm to 6:30am. I eat, sleep, poop, shower, etc. at consistent times workdays or off days. Maybe I'm not understanding circadian rhythms correctly, but keeping those things consistent is part of what I understand it to be. I have done what 99% of the people I've worked with on nights do and completely flip their schedule to a day schedule on their days off. Usually by staying up for more than 24hrs on their first day off and then going to bed 10-11pm. Some of them get home at around 7am, get in bed by 8am then wake up at 10-12 instead of just staying up.

I tried that. Trust me, if you think you've seen crazy, you haven't. I was on the verge of getting a divorce. By staying on the same sleep schedule I'm a much more agreeable person.

And it doesn't help that I work a 2-2-3 schedule. (Week 1 work Monday, Tuesday. Off Wednesday, Thursday. Work Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Week 2 off Monday, Tuesday. Work Wednesday, Thursday. Off Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Rinse repeat.) That schedule blows, hard.

There are serious and unavoidable long-term consequences of becoming nocturnal. There are a lot of studies out there. Humans are a diurnal species. Our circadian rhythms are based on diurnal attributes.

You’ve gone down a different path. That “choice” has a bundle of consequences, ranging from metabolic to psychologic.

 

[Gameface]

There are serious and unavoidable long-term consequences of becoming nocturnal. There are a lot of studies out there. Humans are a diurnal species. Our circadian rhythms are based on diurnal attributes.

You’ve gone down a different path. That “choice” has a bundle of consequences, ranging from metabolic to psychologic.

Oh I know that there are consequences.

Maybe you didn't really keep up on my journey, but I used to work swings, from 2pm to 10:30pm, M-F. When I found out they were going to go back to 12hr shifts I quit and went somewhere else to avoid going to nights. I stayed at the other job for 6 months, wasn't working out, I asked to come back. Since then I've been on nights and it has been hard and I know it isn't good for me.

I worry about going somewhere else right now because I don't want to look like I'm bouncing from job to job. But after I've been here a year since coming back I'm going to start looking.

 

[gandalfe]

Ha. My wife is super good natured. I’m lucky she’s attracted to brooding souls. But she is pulling me into lighter and lighter moods as the months pass.

 

[gandalfe]

Oh I know that there are consequences.

Maybe you didn't really keep up on my journey, but I used to work swings, from 2pm to 10:30pm, M-F. When I found out they were going to go back to 12hr shifts I quit and went somewhere else to avoid going to nights. I stayed at the other job for 6 months, wasn't working out, I asked to come back. Since then I've been on nights and it has been hard and I know it isn't good for me.

I worry about going somewhere else right now because I don't want to look like I'm bouncing from job to job. But after I've been here a year since coming back I'm going to start looking.

Living in the PNW as I do, I seriously suggest you get yourself some vitamin D. One of the things you miss being on a graveyard shift is sunlight, which causes your body to convert cholesterol to vitamin D. That's also what happens to people up here in Oregon and Washington.

 

[Miggs]

Like I said...

And I say that cause I love you brotha.

 

[infection]

I propose we fix two problems with the same solution:

Every time Cy wakes up from a night sweat, he needs to log on and verify it with GF. This way GF can keep an accurate measure of night sweats, and Cy can check in in real time to gauge whether or not GF is being reasonable. We can call it the night-watch brotherhood. Our Australian fans can mediate.

 

[Gameface]

Sure, it may not have gotten to the level of other threads but when someone is complaining and calling me out on ****, I'm going to look deeper at where his complaints may start and that one was pretty obvious.

Kind of past the point, but somehow I missed this response.

I'm sorry that I quoted your post, thus triggering a notification, I don't want to seem to be demanding your attention to this post.

So with that disclaimer...

This site is riddled with trolls. There are posters here who have been posting for years, some for 10 years or more, who have recently devolved into trolls.

I don't want anyone banned (except Dutch, I stand by that one) and I don't want to silence any specific opinions. My credibility may be lacking at present, but I can only say what I believe and that is that I don't want to narrow the discussion on jazzfanz.

But there is behavior that is easy to identify, easy to define, relatively easy to manage. It is generally referred to as trolling, which I guess I could check again, but I believe is against this forum's rules. I think colton is a well trusted unbiased poster who is probably best suited to identify who is engaging in trolling behavior.

I think it's important to say that all posters who might sometimes "troll" are not simply "trolls." And in keeping with the spirit of jazzfanz moderation standards I think it would be fair to simply warn posters here and there when they venture into trolling territory.

Some posters are currently engaged in trolling type activity more than 90% of the time they post. It would be super awesome for this community it they could be convinced to reduce that to no less than half of their posts.

This trolling behavior was not specifically high in the thread "The Honesty of Transgender Identity" imho. I read some posts from people I have on ignore and I responded to them the day of or day before I made my post about trolling on jazzfanz. I can see why that connection was made, sort of.

I hate that I have posters on ignore. I don't want to limit my exposure to various perspectives. I have gone from lots of posters on ignore, to deciding to just see it all, to giving up and putting a few back on ignore. I think I might have 5 posters on ignore at the moment. Yet with as few as five posters on ignore I read thread after thread where I get contextless responses that are pretty similar "Dude, read the responses to this question that have been given over and over and over." and variations of that response. I can literally go pages and pages in a thread reading nothing but that sort of response.

There is a problem. There are people who are devoting their time here to making this a poor place to have a conversation with what seems like the only goal being to make this site a poor place to have a conversation.

I spend a lot of time on jazzfanz and it has become frustrating. For me the solution is not to simply walk away. I feel like I have participated in a mostly positive way for more than 10 years and have tried to contribute to this community. I'm sorry that my recent contributions have had the opposite effect.

 

[NAOS]

Kind of past the point, but somehow I missed this response.

I'm sorry that I quoted your post, thus triggering a notification, I don't want to seem to be demanding your attention to this post.

So with that disclaimer...

This site is riddled with trolls. There are posters here who have been posting for years, some for 10 years or more, who have recently devolved into trolls.

I don't want anyone banned (except Dutch, I stand by that one) and I don't want to silence any specific opinions. My credibility may be lacking at present, but I can only say what I believe and that is that I don't want to narrow the discussion on jazzfanz.

But there is behavior that is easy to identify, easy to define, relatively easy to manage. It is generally referred to as trolling, which I guess I could check again, but I believe is against this forum's rules. I think colton is a well trusted unbiased poster who is probably best suited to identify who is engaging in trolling behavior.

I think it's important to say that all posters who might sometimes "troll" are not simply "trolls." And in keeping with the spirit of jazzfanz moderation standards I think it would be fair to simply warn posters here and there when they venture into trolling territory.

Some posters are currently engaged in trolling type activity more than 90% of the time they post. It would be super awesome for this community it they could be convinced to reduce that to no less than half of their posts.

This trolling behavior was not specifically high in the thread "The Honesty of Transgender Identity" imho. I read some posts from people I have on ignore and I responded to them the day of or day before I made my post about trolling on jazzfanz. I can see why that connection was made, sort of.

I hate that I have posters on ignore. I don't want to limit my exposure to various perspectives. I have gone from lots of posters on ignore, to deciding to just see it all, to giving up and putting a few back on ignore. I think I might have 5 posters on ignore at the moment. Yet with as few as five posters on ignore I read thread after thread where I get contextless responses that are pretty similar "Dude, read the responses to this question that have been given over and over and over." and variations of that response. I can literally go pages and pages in a thread reading nothing but that sort of response.

There is a problem. There are people who are devoting their time here to making this a poor place to have a conversation with what seems like the only goal being to make this site a poor place to have a conversation.

I spend a lot of time on jazzfanz and it has become frustrating. For me the solution is not to simply walk away. I feel like I have participated in a mostly positive way for more than 10 years and have tried to contribute to this community. I'm sorry that my recent contributions have had the opposite effect.

The ignore feature is ****ing awesome. I use it liberally

 

[LogGrad98]

I have the few I felt were incorrigible trolls or attacked me personally on ignore. I think it's 3 people. I see no issues with that.

I also agree to a point that trolling behavior is a problem from time to time. To be fair to the moderators we need to help police the forum and report trolling behavior when we see it.

I would recommend to the moderators that when you determine trolling is being engaged in maybe a quick hand-slap would be stronger than the standard warning cycle. Like an instant 3-day ban or something for a first offense. But it would have to be pretty cut-and-dried trolling activity, not just the occasional smart-*** exchange or dumb-*** response, otherwise @Rubashov would be gone in a heartbeat.

 

[Gameface]

I have the few I felt were incorrigible trolls or attacked me personally on ignore. I think it's 3 people. I see no issues with that.

I also agree to a point that trolling behavior is a problem from time to time. To be fair to the moderators we need to help police the forum and report trolling behavior when we see it.

I would recommend to the moderators that when you determine trolling is being engaged in maybe a quick hand-slap would be stronger than the standard warning cycle. Like an instant 3-day ban or something for a first offense. But it would have to be pretty cut-and-dried trolling activity, not just the occasional smart-*** exchange or dumb-*** response, otherwise @Rubashov would be gone in a heartbeat.

What makes this difficult is when you think someone is mostly a troll and put them on ignore you're not going to see their posts in order to Repot them. And the policy shift on jazzfanz seems to be that if you don't like what people post put them on ignore. As if that's problem solved.

I'm not kidding when I say I can go pages in a thread reading responses telling a person to just read the responses they've already gotten with the occasional vain attempt to explain it again where I have no idea what the topic even is or who they are talking to. Not a single reasonable poster is making a counter argument for me to see.

 

[NAOS]

This site will always be on the INTERNET. It’s, therefore, silly to apply some kind of general standard of “community” or some ish. For example, do we get mad at cameras when they don’t convey what it’s like to actually be around someone? No, we recognize that’s a major achievement of a camera operator when that happens. With the internet, we’ll never just be hanging out with real people; there will always be operators who use this space as an experiment or dumping ground for how to disrupt communication; the standards and problems are different here—and it’s essentially human nature that some of us are exploring the edges of these standards and problems even if that means their “humanity” suffers (or maybe especially if their humans suffers).

In other words, use ignore because these problems aren’t going away before cameras become real people.