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On telling someone who the "real racist" is
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Among other things, many workplaces don't allow you to click on wordpress blogs.
I don't know if you are joking or serious. I give you the benefit of the doubt. For the record, I am not gay but don't have any problem with people being gay.
Well I am sorry if I was making an assumption. I guess if you couldn't open the link or had no desire to open it you would have stated it since I have rarely seen you not address an issue. Again I apologize if I made the wrong assumption.
Every one of those groups have been killed, tortured, demeaned or had their land taken from them by who? The white man. Pretty much sums it up. Perhaps if white people didn't go around pissing on all these groups then you wouldn't have to play the victim card.
Darkwing Duck
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The social norms of American culture really has nothing to do with the amount of melanin content of the lineages that the majority of the individuals in that particular culture fall into...
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One Brow, you're response to me was perfect and shows why I don't like blogs like his. They elicit responses from both sides that accomplish nothing.
cowhide brings up a really good point.
He said this:
"In reality there is no way white person could understand what black or native americans have been through in this country."
My response to this, is how true is this? This is the normal thought process, but is there a group of people who haven't been completely screwed over?
It was legal to kill Mormons and they were literally driven from the country.
Jewish people were led to slaughter houses
Native Americans were driven from their lands and lost everything
Chinese, Russians and other people in communist countries were murdered by the millions.
The Irish have had their problems in this country and even worse in Ireland.
So, I guess unless you are 100% British, and white, your people or heritage have gone through this at one time or another.
Would anyone disagree with that?
If not, the the real question is, what makes the AA experience so much tougher than everyone else's?
Is it a glass ceiling?
Maybe, but I'd argue that others have that same ceiling (for example, how often did you hear the Mitt shouldn't be President because he was Mormon? In the case of POTUS, AA's have a better shot at being President than Mormons do, due to racism/fear/discrimination, I'd also include women, GLTB's, etc. In women's case, Hillary was the run away favorite for the nomination, until a confident man came along. Then she was boat raced at the end).
Anyways, what makes the experience so different for AA's than everyone else?
cowhide brings up a really good point.
He said this:
"In reality there is no way white person could understand what black or native americans have been through in this country."
My response to this, is how true is this? This is the normal thought process, but is there a group of people who haven't been completely screwed over?
It was legal to kill Mormons and they were literally driven from the country.
Jewish people were led to slaughter houses
Native Americans were driven from their lands and lost everything
Chinese, Russians and other people in communist countries were murdered by the millions.
The Irish have had their problems in this country and even worse in Ireland.
So, I guess unless you are 100% British, and white, your people or heritage have gone through this at one time or another.
Would anyone disagree with that?
If not, the the real question is, what makes the AA experience so much tougher than everyone else's?
Is it a glass ceiling?
Maybe, but I'd argue that others have that same ceiling (for example, how often did you hear the Mitt shouldn't be President because he was Mormon? In the case of POTUS, AA's have a better shot at being President than Mormons do, due to racism/fear/discrimination, I'd also include women, GLTB's, etc. In women's case, Hillary was the run away favorite for the nomination, until a confident man came along. Then she was boat raced at the end).
Anyways, what makes the experience so different for AA's than everyone else?
I can agree with this. Racism with a capital R to me has always meant a condition of discrimination based within a power structure. I think bigoted and prejudice as adjectives should be used more to describe stupid ****ing people. Like, fat girl, what's her name, Paual Deen is probably a bigot but not a racist.
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You are the king of assumptions aren't you? No one could be referring to anything other than your preconceived notions. Noted.
The social norms of American culture are directly derived from the social norms of European immigrants and their descendants.
Every group's discrimination experience is unique. Not being Mormon, I have no idea of what discrimination you face based on your religion. Not being an atheist, you don't have any idea what I face. I'm sure if we compared, we'd find commonalities and differences. Probably among the commonalities is that people think we're morally deficient and untrustworthy. However, neither of us wears our religion on our forehead. When I'm teaching, my class doesn't know my religion (nor my politics, for that matter). Many of your patients probably have no idea what religion you are, unless you advertise it in some way.
For the most part, black people and women do not have the option of passing as one of the in-group. However, while women get the benefit of the doubt regarding criminality (we have posters on this board who say civilization exists because of women), black people are treated as being morally deficient and untrustworthy. While many groups get this description, only for black people does it follow them everywhere, in almost every social situation. It is a constant weight upon them, that starts in schools (once when I was teaching in a high school, there was a fight between a black kid and a white kid; the black kid got the suspension) and follows them throughout their life. It is a definition forced on them by outsiders, with almost universal aspect.
And if you did hear that term being used that way you probably wouldn't recognize it and may call the person a racist anyways.
Why it's fine to be "proud" to be in any of those groups but not fine to be "proud" to be white is one of the points.
Why would you think white people that are not racists would never be proud to be white, and that only racists would be proud to be white when clearly it's just fine and normal for the majority of these other groups to be proud to be whatever they are?
I also think the main point behind the "proud to be (fill in the blank)" is drawing attention that you are different than other people.
You are in essence saying "I am different than you, and proud of it". This is not trying to bring people together, this is widening or creating a divide.
Instead of pointing out how and why people are different, the way to unify people is to focus on commonalities and strengthening those bonds so how we are the same will be stronger than how we are different.
So anyone can just watch tv or movie, read a book or article and understand any white person from their point of view but it is absolutely impossible for a white person to understand something from another pov because they are white. gotcha
Double standards are swell aren't they?
I watched Shaft and got the white point of view.