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I guess Republican adults in the room are too busy counting their tax cuts and conservative judges to care about the crazy that’s threatening the world with war crimes.
killing soleimani is great. Talent matters and this guy was brilliant. It is awesome that he is dead.
Trump had opportunities to take him out earlier and passed. Because of the risk of escalation. If Iran assassinated Pence, what would we do?
The problem is this administration has zero credibility both in the US and overseas. Nothing the trump admin says is believed. They are already lying about this situation. And they have no strategy. The decision was impulsive and no strategy was articulated. Tipping our hand on our response of air strikes on 52 targets is amateurish.
If this were executed under Reagan, Bush 1 or even Clinton, I could see this deraveling and not escalating with some finesse.
with the keystone cops in the white house I don’t feel good about where this is heading.
Trump had opportunities to take him out earlier and passed. Because of the risk of escalation. If Iran assassinated Pence, what would we do?
The problem is this administration has zero credibility both in the US and overseas. Nothing the trump admin says is believed. They are already lying about this situation. And they have no strategy. The decision was impulsive and no strategy was articulated. Tipping our hand on our response of air strikes on 52 targets is amateurish.
If this were executed under Reagan, Bush 1 or even Clinton, I could see this deraveling and not escalating with some finesse.
with the keystone cops in the white house I don’t feel good about where this is heading.
Red
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No, I didn't think he was trolling, if only because I thought his first comment, #75, was one of the more thoughtful comments I had read in any of the threads that involve Trump.
Now, as far as the comparison of Soleimani to Hitler, I recall a couple of other things that might shed light. First, the poster said he had lived in the region for many years, although he did not name the country, and when the comparison to Hitler was treated as an overreaction, which most would agree it is, he replied, regarding Soleimani:
I think there might be a history here that we're not privy to. But, no, I did not see him as a troll. I thought he was very sincere. I am a naive, trusting type, though...
I appreciate, and have defended, what you bring to the table. I think there are a few people here with a background in history, and the past informs the present, so people with a background in history, or any of the social sciences for that matter, can bring stuff to the table that can help in understanding. Sometimes anger derails things, though, just like rainy days at the beach, lol...
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https://theintercept.com/2020/01/06/border-irananian-american-iran/
DOZENS OF IRANIAN families, some including U.S. citizens, were detained and questioned at the U.S.-Canada border over the weekend, heightening concerns that the Trump administration’s recent actions in the Middle East could have serious consequences for Iranians living in the United States. Among those swept up in the ordeal, trapped in the no man’s land of a U.S. border office, was a young medical student and her family.
In an interview with The Intercept Sunday, Crystal, who asked that her last name not be used for fear of retaliation, described how she and her family were held for nearly half a day while being subjected to questions about their relationship to Iran.
Crystal and her brother are American citizens, born and raised in the U.S. Their parents are dual citizens of the U.S. and Iran. The family had driven to Vancouver for vacation and were on their way back to the states Saturday afternoon when their trouble began.
DOZENS OF IRANIAN families, some including U.S. citizens, were detained and questioned at the U.S.-Canada border over the weekend, heightening concerns that the Trump administration’s recent actions in the Middle East could have serious consequences for Iranians living in the United States. Among those swept up in the ordeal, trapped in the no man’s land of a U.S. border office, was a young medical student and her family.
In an interview with The Intercept Sunday, Crystal, who asked that her last name not be used for fear of retaliation, described how she and her family were held for nearly half a day while being subjected to questions about their relationship to Iran.
Crystal and her brother are American citizens, born and raised in the U.S. Their parents are dual citizens of the U.S. and Iran. The family had driven to Vancouver for vacation and were on their way back to the states Saturday afternoon when their trouble began.
Red
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/05/politics/iranian-cultural-sites-us-strikes-donald-trump/index.html
Washington (CNN)Two senior US officials on Sunday described widespread opposition within the administration to targeting cultural sites in Iran should the United States launch retaliatory strikes against Tehran, despite President Donald Trump saying a day before that such sites are among dozens the US has identified as potential targets.
"Nothing rallies people like the deliberate destruction of beloved cultural sites. Whether ISIS's destruction of religious monuments or the burning of the Leuven Library in WWI, history shows targeting locations giving civilization meaning is not only immoral but self-defeating," one of the officials told CNN.
"The Persian people hold a deeply influential and beautiful history of poetry, logic, art and science. Iran's leaders do not live up to that history. But America would be better served by leaders who embrace Persian culture, not threaten to destroy it," they added.
"Consistent with laws and norms of armed conflict, we would respect Iranian culture," the second senior US official said.
Another official who formerly worked in both the Trump and Obama administrations told CNN: "As a matter of principle, we as a nation and as a military do not attack the culture sites of any adversary."
Additionally, several sources tell CNN there are no indications at this time that the US would strike cultural sites in Iran.
Jazzta
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Another tweet from our psychotic president:
“These Media Posts will serve as notification to the United States Congress that should Iran strike any U.S. person or target, the United States will quickly & fully strike back, & perhaps in a disproportionate manner. Such legal notice is not required, but is given nevertheless!”
For one the term “disproportionate” already implies wrongdoing. This is just a bad dream right, right?
“These Media Posts will serve as notification to the United States Congress that should Iran strike any U.S. person or target, the United States will quickly & fully strike back, & perhaps in a disproportionate manner. Such legal notice is not required, but is given nevertheless!”
For one the term “disproportionate” already implies wrongdoing. This is just a bad dream right, right?
"US allies have distanced themselves from Donald Trump’s decision to assassinate Qassem Suleimani, as millions of Iranians took to the streets to mourn and demand revenge for the assassination of the country’s top general.
Both Israel and Nato stressed they were not involved in the airstrike on Thursday. The US secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, has already expressed disappointment in the lukewarm reaction of Washington’s European allies.
But the response of Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, was particularly striking, as he has been one of Trump’s staunchest supporters on the world stage.
He told a meeting of his security cabinet on Monday: “The assassination of Suleimani isn’t an Israeli event but an American event. We were not involved and should not be dragged into it.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...o-assassinate-suleimani/ar-BBYG2FF?li=BBnb7Kz
Both Israel and Nato stressed they were not involved in the airstrike on Thursday. The US secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, has already expressed disappointment in the lukewarm reaction of Washington’s European allies.
But the response of Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, was particularly striking, as he has been one of Trump’s staunchest supporters on the world stage.
He told a meeting of his security cabinet on Monday: “The assassination of Suleimani isn’t an Israeli event but an American event. We were not involved and should not be dragged into it.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...o-assassinate-suleimani/ar-BBYG2FF?li=BBnb7Kz
Jazzta
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I don’t trust a single word that comes out of Netanyahu’s mouth. For all that we know it could have been both Trump and Netanyahu’s idea to keep Israel out of the picture.
D
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I trust israel on this one actually. They gain nothing by escalating this situation. By Trump’s escalating this situation, Iran Now has justification to dump the nuclear agreement and more quickly enrich uranium for a dirty bomb. Israel doesn’t want that. Which is why they're trying to distance themselves from Trump.
The only scenario where Israel might lie about being involved in escalation is if they feel like regime change in Tehran is imminent. I don’t think anyone actually believes that’s going to happen. Even if Trump blunders into regime change, I’m not sure why Israel would think regime change would be good. Just look at Iraq, and that was with much more global support than America has right now.