Our Embassy is Under Attack

[silesian]

Threatening to bomb cultural sites us just too stupid for words on so many dimensions.

 

[reignman40]

Ah yes. Let’s potentially start a war in the Middle East under false pretenses without a clear purpose, goal, or exit strategy. What could possibly go wrong?

Are you really this dumb?

Weren't you pro war like a month ago?? When trump was going to be pulling troops out of the middle east? Because "orange man bad" everything he does I must be against.

 

[fishonjazz]

Weren't you pro war like a month ago?? When trump was going to be pulling troops out of the middle east? Because "orange man bad" everything he does I must be against.

No you are wrong. He was against Trump pulling troops (moving them really) from areas in Syria because doing so caused US allies to get slaughtered.

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[reignman40]

Threatening to bomb cultural sites us just too stupid for words on so many dimensions.

Can you expand on those dimensions? I know we have avoided bombing religious sites and structures in the past, giving the enemy a place to hide. That is asinine...

 

[Deleted member 365]

 

[Gameface]

Can you expand on those dimensions? I know we have avoided bombing religious sites and structures in the past, giving the enemy a place to hide. That is asinine...

Not destroying historic places, cultural places is far from asinine. It's who we should be.

 

[Red]

No surprise here...

 

[Red]

Be humble and realize everyone is just a fool like everyone else.

Wise words. Reminds me of the story attributed to Socrates on how he concluded he must be the wisest man in the Greek world since he seemed to be the only one who realized that he really didn't know anything at all....

I know I’m ignorant, but I lived in the region for a long time to understand it really well.

Sounds like you could add a perspective most of us lack. That's a good thing.

nevermind... I will go back to lurking.

Why? You offer a different perspective, don't be reluctant to share it.

Yes, please, go back to lurking. If this is the worldview you share, then no one is enlightened by your posting.

Well, I believe there was enlightenment offered in the first post of @jazzlurker that I quoted. Comment #75 of this thread. Humility is a good thing. Recognizing our limitations of knowledge is a good thing, born of humility. It's a wise man who recognizes that, and we can all benefit from understanding those simple truths. In my own humble opinion....

You and I both have more then a little knowledge of American history, and you do a great job of presenting that point of view that recognizes the dangers to our democracy inherent in a Trump presidency. But, I think you are mistaken telling this poster to essentially "get lost". He is not your enemy. I don't believe he said anything that deserves that response.

 

[Rubashov]

Why did it take Iraqis so long? America has done nothing but support their oppressors, **** you guys,

 

[Deleted member 365]

Wise words. Reminds me of the story attributed to Socrates on how he concluded he must be the wisest man in the Greek world since he seemed to be the only one who realized that he really didn't know anything at all....



Sounds like you could add a perspective most of us lack. That's a good thing.



Why? You offer a different perspective, don't be reluctant to share it.



Well, I believe there was enlightenment offered in the first post of @jazzlurker that I quoted. Comment #75 of this thread. Humility is a good thing. Recognizing our limitations of knowledge is a good thing, born of humility. It's a wise man who recognizes that, and we can all benefit from understanding those simple truths. In my own humble opinion....

You and I both have more then a little knowledge of American history, and you do a great job of presenting that point of view that recognizes the dangers to our democracy inherent in a Trump presidency. But, I think you are mistaken telling this poster to essentially "get lost". He is not your enemy. I don't believe he said anything that deserves that response.

Was he being serious? I mean, this stuff (see below) is nonsense (feels like trolling) and I truly regret even engaging with him over it:

This guy is pure scum. Hitler level. Puppet master that has lead to the death of millions.... millions. His death doesn’t have to be justified.

Maybe these threads should come with a disclaimer that posters should make it clear that they’re not merely trying to troll?

 

[Deleted member 365]

funny and true

 

[silesian]

Can you expand on those dimensions? I know we have avoided bombing religious sites and structures in the past, giving the enemy a place to hide. That is asinine...

if trump had said we were going to take out a specific cultural target because it was harboring military assets, there would be a different argument to be had. That is not the case.


It mobilized the enemy and alienates the allies.

there is the obvious moral argument against destroying artifacts of human history. Trump looks at the world as America and others. If you look at humanity you see that Iran has important sites for the world, not just Iran.

destroying sites connected to religions are attacks not on Iran but to non Iranians, alienating moderates and energizing extremists.

Immoral acts alienate our Judeo Christian Allies.

it erodes American support for valid and necessary military action in the region.

Committing a war crime undermines our support for the Geneva convention and takes away our ability to condemn war criminals. We lose the high ground

Iran military leaders by responding to trumps threats to attack cultural targets by saying they would attack only military targets. This was strategically brilliant. Makes the world wonder who are the good guys and who are the bad guys.