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Pacers interest in Kessler- what do we want?

IND would need to send out at least one future higher salaried player. Likely would be Toppin or Mathurin. They couldn't afford Toppin+Mathurin+Kessler.

Hard to put a finger on Mathurin's trade value and how it relates to Kessler. Mathurin has had a strong start to the season.

If the deal was Toppin and their first this year should we do that trade? Maybe you throw Jarace in there as well? IDK. The Pacers are tied for 3rd worst right now, but I don't see them as a top tank contender if they don't have their pick.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
So the Pacers don't want to compete? There is a deal there.
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If Walker is still healthy then maybe. But they aren't getting him till next year so they won't compete this season regardless. Why trade your FRP when you know you gonna be bad and have a legit shot at a top 5 pick this season? They definitely gonna try to lowball us with Walker/Toppin/Jackson.
 
jom2003 said:
If Walker is still healthy then maybe. But they aren't getting him till next year so they won't compete this season regardless. Why trade your FRP when you know you gonna be bad and have a legit shot at a top 5 pick this season? They definitely gonna try to lowball us with Walker/Toppin/Jackson.
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You stupid? A pick isn't going to help them win for the next 1-3 years.
 
If you have the Pacers pick, Carlisle is just gonna clean up in mickey mouse march when there are tanking teams who own their picks. It helps the Jazz and their own tanking situation....but you're not moving Walker Kessler just to eliminate one tank contender. The pick is not bad, but it's not like owning the NOP pick. IND has already won 4 out of their last 6 now that they have some of their guys back.

You're probably looking at an 8-10 lotto position at best. The more I think about it, the less likely it seems. If we don't even care about our own lotto pick, why are we going to trade Kessler for a worse pick?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
You think Kessler straight up is worth a 50% chance at a top 4 pick?
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Seems you’re having a manic episode because I said nothing about that, partially because they’re not trading that pick for Walker, nor are the Jazz “sweetening the pot” to get it.

It’s an insane risk proposition for both teams. It’s just not happening, in part because the Pacers don’t ever **** up.

But to answer your question, I make that trade straight across no question.
 
bigmike said:
I have a hard time thinking they'd give the '26 pick with zero protection. I understand the timeline with Haliburton / Siakam. But in terms of sheer exchange of value, Walker for a top 3 pick in this draft could be a disaster for them.

Asking for a friend - does the NBA ever do conditional trades? I.e., they give us the pick unprotected, but if it lands top X, we owe them Y?
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The last one even remotely like that I can remember is when we were forced to give our only franchise #1 overall pick to the Lakers because we took an aging star from them in free agency. Ended up being Magic Johnson with that pick. NBA has been rigged from the beginning. That was just about the only time the league ever did that too.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
You stupid? A pick isn't going to help them win for the next 1-3 years.
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Not if they win the #1 pick. #1 pick usually gets to help his teams win from year one in most cases. Sometimes even the top 3 contribute positively to winning in a strong draft class. And whoever they draft, a rookie contract holds much more value to a team than Walker who's about to add 20+mil to their salary.
 
KqWIN said:
If you have the Pacers pick, Carlisle is just gonna clean up in mickey mouse march when there are tanking teams who own their picks. It helps the Jazz and their own tanking situation....but you're not moving Walker Kessler just to eliminate one tank contender. The pick is not bad, but it's not like owning the NOP pick. IND has already won 4 out of their last 6 now that they have some of their guys back.

You're probably looking at an 8-10 lotto position at best. The more I think about it, the less likely it seems. If we don't even care about our own lotto pick, why are we going to trade Kessler for a worse pick?
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Jazz aren't doing this deal now. Wait til the deadline when only 26 games remain. We will see where the Pacers are then and what their schedule looks like.
 
Swell. So let me get this straight: any time the Jazz have a good player, all the pundits and blog boys immediately assume we’re dying to trade him for even more “pieces” so we can drag out a rebuild forever. Why actually try to win when you can keep flipping real talent for hypothetical upside, right? At this rate, how long before the same pundits and blog boys start banging the drum to trade Keyonte George?
 
If we get rid of Kessler we get rid of 90% of our defense. Who else in our starting 5 can defend? Unless the Pacers give us their pick this year theres no way.
 
The range of responses from the same posters amounting to the pacers will never trade the pick because it's too valuable and the Jazz can't add anything to the deal because that would be going up too much is wild.

There is a deal there depending on both sides risk tolerance.

I promise the Pacers don't believe there is a world where they can get Walker without giving up the pick, so them having interest means they have at least thought of deals regarding the pick.
 
Max Porter said:
If we get rid of Kessler we get rid of 90% of our defense. Who else in our starting 5 can defend? Unless the Pacers give us their pick this year theres no way.
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We will win 165 - 157 and usher in the next glory age of professional basketball. It will be awesome.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
The range of responses from the same posters amounting to the pacers will never trade the pick because it's too valuable and the Jazz can't add anything to the deal because that would be going up too much is wild.

There is a deal there depending on both sides risk tolerance.

I promise the Pacers don't believe there is a world where they can get Walker without giving up the pick, so them having interest means they have at least thought of deals regarding the pick.
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This is a team that got a franchise player for a guy they’d been shopping for several years. I guarantee they think they could get a player from a team that refused to even negotiate an extension without trading a potential #1 pick.
 
jom2003 said:
Not if they win the #1 pick. #1 pick usually gets to help his teams win from year one in most cases. Sometimes even the top 3 contribute positively to winning in a strong draft class. And whoever they draft, a rookie contract holds much more value to a team than Walker who's about to add 20+mil to their salary.
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They really don't. Plus the Pacers have a massive gaping hole at the 5 and none of the top picks in this draft really fill that hole

The value question for the Pacers is what could they get if the pick landed #1 vs what could they get if it lands #6. Like Kqwin said if they trade the pick they can win some more game post ASB (though I really don't think it would be that much more, they would still have incentive to rest Siakim down the stretch so they can ensure his health for next season). Also the whole contract situation with Walker and what they can afford and what salaries would have to be moved around to make things work financially for the next 2-4 years (would require more research on my part that I can't do currently)

I somehow doubt the Pacers want to do a rebuild, so it makes sense they are looking to trade. They took the Thunder to 7 games with Turner and Walker is certainly an upgrade and they would be able to get more than just Walker in a trade.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Jazz aren't doing this deal now. Wait til the deadline when only 26 games remain. We will see where the Pacers are then and what their schedule looks like.
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In 26 games it will be even more clear that this IND pick isn't premium. Like I said, the more I think about it the less likely it sounds.

If there is a Pacers trade, I don't think it will be based around their 2026 draft pick. IMO, it's more likely to be centered on Mathurin for Kessler. Both player-team relationships are a little iffy, I don't think either team is exceptionally high on their own player and obviously neither extension got done.
 
NUMBERICA said:
This is a team that got a franchise player for a guy they’d been shopping for several years. I guarantee they think they could get a player from a team that refused to even negotiate an extension without trading a potential #1 pick.
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So because they got Haliburton from the Kings (a deal in which they also gave up a future all-star, he was hardly free), that means they will never ever make a risky trade again?
 
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