Pissing Match

[One Brow]

What about saying it's "Obama's baby" would you say that's true?

In the sense that a woman who gives birth has a baby, even if someone else adopts it.

 

[SaltyDawg]

In the sense that a woman who gives birth has a baby, even if someone else adopts it.

We'll have to just disagree on that one. I've seen Obama say plenty of times that this sequester would never actually happen. I've also seen him say it wasn't his idea.

Where are you getting your info from?

 

[One Brow]

Where are you getting your info from?

Among other things, mainstream media newscasts. Also, saying it came from the White House does not mean Obama, personally, is the originator.

 

[SaltyDawg]

Among other things, mainstream media newscasts. Also, saying it came from the White House does not mean Obama, personally, is the originator.

Okay well I guess there could possibly be some technicality like that. However, Obama did flat out say it came from congress during that presidential debate.

 

[franklin]

If we're going to be honest, the honest part is that almost every Republican has signed a pledge not to increase taxes, and they were not called out on that pledge, because they did not increase taxes. It would be political suicide for them to do so.

If we're being honest, all these Republicans will go back to their constituencies in 2014 and say they did not raise taxes.

You know, just to keep things honest.

Agree with this sentiment but not the spin and had to hold your feet to the fire a little. Taxes raised from last year plain and simple, and why would we take these politicians at their word anyway.

Again, being honest, it was a desperation ploy on the part of the White House to avoid default. So, it was Obama's idea, but adopted by the Republicans. The responsibility is shared, but the Republicans are the driving force behind the sequester.

Again agreed, and I don't need any sourcing to do so. I don't care if Obama proposed it on national television, it sprang out of the republican party.

 

[One Brow]

Okay well I guess there could possibly be some technicality like that. However, Obama did flat out say it came from congress during that presidential debate.

A politician lying during a debate? Oh my stars and garters.

I'm not going to let my preference for Democratic policies (yuck!) over Republican (YUCK!) blind me to who they are.

 

[One Brow]

...had to hold your feet to the fire a little.

No complaints on my part.

 

[SaltyDawg]

A politician lying during a debate? Oh my stars and garters.

I'm not going to let my preference for Democratic policies (yuck!) over Republican (YUCK!) blind me to who they are.

I'm not blind to who they are either. I just haven't seen anyone besides Woodward (and various others referencing his claim) claim that it was actually Obama's idea. And I have seen Obama say it wasn't his idea but congress's, and I have seen Boehner say it's what he wanted.

 

[SaltyDawg]

FYI my right leaning friends, yesterday the Senate republicans filibustered the democrat plan to avoid the sequester. The plan included a mix of spending cuts and tax increases.

As I have been saying, the sticking point is not spending cuts, it's the tax increases.

Something really needs to be done about that filibuster rule.

 

[Stoked]

FYI my right leaning friends, yesterday the Senate republicans filibustered the democrat plan to avoid the sequester. The plan included a mix of spending cuts and tax increases.

As I have been saying, the sticking point is not spending cuts, it's the tax increases.

Something really needs to be done about that filibuster rule.

I think they are both sticking points. The repubs do not want tax increase and they want the spending cuts.

 

[SaltyDawg]

I think they are both sticking points. The repubs do not want tax increase and they want the spending cuts.

And the dems want spending cuts and also a tax increase.

The republicans didn't filibuster that bill yesterday because they hated the spending cuts in it, Iol. And the dems didn't get 51 senators to agree to vote for it (before it was filibustered) because they were against the spending cuts in it.

Clearly, the sticking point is the increase in revenue the dems are insisting on, and the repubs are refusing to consider.

 

[Stoked]

And the dems want spending cuts and also a tax increase.

The republicans didn't filibuster that bill yesterday because they hated the spending cuts in it, Iol. And the dems didn't get 51 senators to agree to vote for it (before it was filibustered) because they were against the spending cuts in it.

Clearly, the sticking point is the increase in revenue the dems are insisting on, and the repubs are refusing to consider.

You keep right on believing that hype.