Player alters gender but remains on women's team

[C l u t c H 385]

Thanks for the reply. So, if I'm understanding you correctly, your view is that it is a psychological condition, one with presumably underlying physical causes (brain chemistry, or what-not). But since the medical treatment to cure the psychological condition is not available, changing the outward appearance to match the inward view of yourself is the next best thing. Did I get that right?

I've got another question, more of a procedural thing I'm just curious about. Do you have to somehow register with the state that you are undergoing a transgender transformation? The reason I ask, is that I assume it's not legal for a regular male such as myself to use female restrooms--yet apparently it is for you. (Or is it?) So, if a lady in the restroom calls the cops on you, what would you do?

Doesn't seem right. Any perv could just throw on a wig and stroll into the ladies room.

 

[KatieMCR]

Thanks for the reply. So, if I'm understanding you correctly, your view is that it is a psychological condition, one with presumably underlying physical causes (brain chemistry, or what-not). But since the medical treatment to cure the psychological condition is not available, changing the outward appearance to match the inward view of yourself is the next best thing. Did I get that right?

I've got another question, more of a procedural thing I'm just curious about. Do you have to somehow register with the state that you are undergoing a transgender transformation? The reason I ask, is that I assume it's not legal for a regular male such as myself to use female restrooms--yet apparently it is for you. (Or is it?) So, if a lady in the restroom calls the cops on you, what would you do?

I don't know that we are quite on the same page with your first paragraph. Yes I believe that gender identity is something internal, and hard wired into a person. I do not believe that it is possible to change this hard wired gender identity. I believe the only way to "cure" this, is through a physical transition.

No there is not a registry. I don't know all the legalities of restrooms, and I'm sure it varies by location. I do know that using the women's restroom is the best and safest option for me. I would literally fear for my safety if I entered a men's restroom. Just look at the picture I posted. Do you honestly think I should be using anything other than a women's restroom when presenting like that? Like I said before, I have never had a problem using the women's restrooms. I don't get any odd looks, and nobody says anything. If someone called the cops on me, I would explain the same thing I have just explained to you. I'm not really worried about it though. As I've said, it's never been an issue for me. I have more of an issue going into a men's restroom, which I do when I'm out in my "boy mode". Those are the times I get odd looks. While on the topic, I should mention that I really despise this debate. I have seen it used as a scare tactic far too often by conservative groups who like to spread fear about transgender people. It's really sad that transgender people have to be afraid to enter a public restroom.

 

[7StraightIsGreat]

I've done some light reading on this subject because I'm extremely ignorant in this area, but from what I have read, I understand it like this: Katie was born with a *****, but she says she isn't a man. However, from what I've read, if Katie's chromosomes were studied, they would also show her to be a male. To me, that says that Katie insists she is a female simply because she feels that way yet every other scientific indication shows her being male.

Am I wrong about this? If transgendered people were actually born the wrong gender, wouldn't there be chromosome or DNA markers that would show a discrepancy? It obviously would make alot more sense if Katie was born with a *****, yet her chromosomes showed her to be a female.

 

[Archie Moses]

I've done some light reading on this subject because I'm extremely ignorant in this area, but from what I have read, I understand it like this: Katie was born with a *****, but she says she isn't a man. However, from what I've read, if Katie's chromosomes were studied, they would also show her to be a male. To me, that says that Katie insists she is a female simply because she feels that way yet every other scientific indication shows her being male.

Am I wrong about this? If transgendered people were actually born the wrong gender, wouldn't there be chromosome or DNA markers that would show a discrepancy? It obviously would make alot more sense if Katie was born with a *****, yet her chromosomes showed her to be a female.

I think Katie said she was born with both a ***** and a ******. I think her case is different than most transgendered people.

 

[KatieMCR]

I've done some light reading on this subject because I'm extremely ignorant in this area, but from what I have read, I understand it like this: Katie was born with a *****, but she says she isn't a man. However, from what I've read, if Katie's chromosomes were studied, they would also show her to be a male. To me, that says that Katie insists she is a female simply because she feels that way yet every other scientific indication shows her being male.

Am I wrong about this? If transgendered people were actually born the wrong gender, wouldn't there be chromosome or DNA markers that would show a discrepancy? It obviously would make alot more sense if Katie was born with a *****, yet her chromosomes showed her to be a female.

As far as I understand it chromosomes determine physical sex, not gender. There are also more than 2 possible chromosomal makeups. I actually do plan to have myself tested to find out exactly what my chromosomal makeup is. The results of the test will change nothing in how I identify my gender. I just want the test done out of general curiosity.

 

[KatieMCR]

I think Katie said she was born with both a ***** and a ******. I think her case is different than most transgendered people.

I don't know what you're saying with "a ***** and a ******". If it's what I think, I have actually not said that. Unless I was lied to my entire life, I was born with only one set of genitals.

 

[Archie Moses]

I don't know what you're saying with "a ***** and a ******". If it's what I think, I have actually not said that. Unless I was lied to my entire life, I was born with only one set of genitals.

The first thing I would point to as an example is those who are born with an intersex condition. I'm sure you are probably aware of what this is. For those that are not, it means someone who is born with both sets of genitalia.

I might be confused. Can you enlighten me so I understand this better. What does being born with both sets of genitalia mean?

EDIT: Never mind, I reread your post. You were just talking in general. My bad.

 

[KatieMCR]

I might be confused. Can you enlighten me so I understand this better. What does being born with both sets of genitalia mean?

It appears you correctly understood what I said about intersex people. However I did not actually say that I myself am intersex. I'm sorry if that is how it seemed. I was merely pointing to intersex people as an example for my argument that being transgender is inborn. One more time just so it's clear, I myself am not intersex.

 

[Archie Moses]

It appears you correctly understood what I said about intersex people. However I did not actually say that I myself am intersex. I'm sorry if that is how it seemed. I was merely pointing to intersex people as an example for my argument that being transgender is inborn. One more time just so it's clear, I myself am not intersex.

Yeah, I edited my last post. Sorry about that. I just read it wrong. I do that a lot. haha

 

[C l u t c H 385]

Can we have a volunteer to go into a woman's restroom who doesn't dress like a woman? We need to know the legal consequences if you're not foolin' anyone.

 

[colton]

While on the topic, I should mention that I really despise this debate. I have seen it used as a scare tactic far too often by conservative groups who like to spread fear about transgender people. It's really sad that transgender people have to be afraid to enter a public restroom.

To be clear: I wasn't debating anything. I was just asking for your perspective, and asking about a procedural question I was curious about. (I don't know if your comment was directed at me, but just thought I would clarify in case it was.)

 

[KatieMCR]

To be clear: I wasn't debating anything. I was just asking for your perspective, and asking about a procedural question I was curious about. (I don't know if your comment was directed at me, but just thought I would clarify in case it was.)

No not directed at you. Sorry if it seemed like it was. It was just a general statement on the topic. Not directed at anyone here. Just blowing off some steam from articles I've read online in the past.