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Pleiss Traded to Philly!!!

Again... I'm just happy we are saying ya know... Tibor ain't working, let's move on rather than fake it to save face on a deal we made two years ago.

Guis... they ain't all winners.
 
infection said:
Tibor was never a prospect. Even if his Europe numbers translated to the NBA they'd be atrocious. The only way we say we have a hindsight advantage is if we drank the Tibor KoolAid (of which there really wasn't all that much).
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He was picked with a very high second round pick... so by the logic that two teams offered Kanter a deal he was a prospect at one time.

His Euro numbers were meh... I never expected him to be more than a backup if anything. The mistake we made was giving him so much money (I'm guessing that's what it took to bring him over though).

The pick was the highest value asset we got in that trade... yesterday, today, and forever.
 
stitches said:
Here are my calculations:

After this deal (and assuming Marshall gets waived before his guarantee date) it would seem we are at 79M guaranteed. I assume Chris Johnson(1m unguaranteed) gets waived and Withey(1m unguaranteed) stays. So we are back at 80M. This gives us about 14M.

Favors' max is at about 21.5M for the first year. So we can give him extra 10.5, and about 3.5 are left for Hill. I'm not sure that would work, he's not signing long term contract for a 3.5M bump this year(I think he would need more). What exceptions do we have and can we use them for players already on contract? We have the room (MLE) exception at about 2.8M. Can it be used on Ingles+Bolomboy 's contracts? The amount is about the same as their salaries combined(2.75M>). I'm not CBA expert so if somebody knows, please elucidate us.

Either way - to me it seems like if they wanted to re-do Favors' contract they could have done it without giving up assets in order to dump Pleiss. This leads me to believe that they are trying to redo BOTH Favors and Hill.
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Can't rep you, which is weird, since I haven't done that in about two years when I deactivated my account. You've always been my favorite poster on here, and I've always appreciated your insight and the time you take to improve this forum. I little tear drops out of my eye... Thanks though, really!
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
He was picked with a very high second round pick... so by the logic that two teams offered Kanter a deal he was a prospect at one time.
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I don't see that as a very tight connection. We were trading a player to a team who matched a max offer from a second team. That shows he had a specific monetary value to at least two teams. OKC valuing Pleiss as a worthy high second round pick in their given circumstances really has no bearing to us nor indicate our value of the player, unless we're saying we valued Pleiss so high that we'd give up a #3 pick for him. But let's get real. We didn't trade for Pleiss. We just took a collection of trash as somehow it all had additive value as a composite. I'm perfectly content letting Kanter walk.
 
infection said:
That's what I would have done, correct. We didn't exactly get anything for Kanter. If you had a car that's worth $5k, would you rather give it away to charity or trade it for a box of yesterday's hot dogs from 711? From a purely economical point of view the latter obviously wins out, but we're not really looking at it in isolation.
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Let's say you have a $10M piece of flawed real estate would you rather give it away for nothing to teach it a lesson or trade it for an asset worth $3-5M in 3 years?

Everyone of us would take the car worth $5k and sell it to someone who offered the most... unless you are donating a $500 car to charity and saying it's worth $5k for tax benefits.
 
infection said:
I don't see that as a very tight connection. We were trading a player to a team who matched a max offer from a second team. That shows he had a specific monetary value to at least two teams. OKC valuing Pleiss as a worthy high second round pick in their given circumstances really has no bearing to us nor indicate our value of the player, unless we're saying we valued Pleiss so high that we'd give up a #3 pick for him. But let's get real. We didn't trade for Pleiss. We just took a collection of trash as somehow it all had additive value as a composite. I'm perfectly content letting Kanter walk.
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OKC viewed him as a prospect... Team #1
Utah viewed him as a prospect... Team #2
He was a prospect.


Porty may have viewed Kanter as a prospect or they were forcing OKC to pay more for him than they should. OKC matched because they valued him there I guess.
 
What a weird move. Ive always liked Marhsall. Got to love a pass first PG with vision.

I will take to twitter to thank him for his service
 
This move was to help make a max offer for Favors, I'm guessing. I expect it to follow suit in the coming days.
 
Cunning Linguist said:
This move was to help make a max offer for Favors, I'm guessing. I expect it to follow suit in the coming days.
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Can't be done until sept/oct if iirc... so don't get nervous if nothing is announced soon.
 
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