Police Brutality

[Deleted member 848]

I seriously feel bad for GVC's parents.

Yeah, he probably devoured all of the munches in the family pantry on a weekly basis.

 

[GVC]

Uh oh, the half-wits have teamed up.

 

[Archie Moses]

Uh oh, the half-wits have teamed up.

On your mom.

 

[Archie Moses]

While I don't totally disagree with this, as a cop he should know the environment he is using his tool in. He should have realized that he is about to taze a human surrounded by concrete. When you are tazed you are completely paralyzed, so there is really is only one scenario that is going to happen. You are going to fall face first on concrete. Doing that is nearly the equivalent of shooting her in the head with a gun. Would you have been ok if he shot her in the head with a gun?

If you aren't capable of quick critical thinking in crucial situations (and are as fat as a ****ing cow) maybe you should stick to working behind the desk.

Being tackled by a 300 pound man on concrete could have had the same results if she hit her head.

 

[GVC]

Being tackled by a 300 pound man on concrete could have had the same results if she hit her head.

Grabbing (or even tackling) her would have been both safer and permitted under Florida Highway Patrol guidelines. Just like this 19 year-old girl should be held responsible for leaving the scene of an accident, this cop should be held responsible for this unapproved use of his taser.

Again,

https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?9032-Police-Brutality&p=261714&viewfull=1#post261714

 

[Deleted member 848]

On your mom.

Wasn't as awesome as Archie said it was going to be, admittedly.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Being tackled by a 300 pound man on concrete could have had the same results if she hit her head.

Yeah, but even being tackled you have more control over how your body lands.

Honestly, the dude just looks lazy here. I would understand it more if he had been chasing her for a long time, but he was right there. I understand your viewpoint that if you run from the cops, bad stuff is going to happen to you, but the situation could have been handled with more intelligence and effort.

 

[franklin]

Read the rest of your posts in this thread, hippy...er....moron/Canadian.

Get him pit bull, get him. Bite his ****ing ears and non-bobbed tail.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

Amnesty International has said... the number of people who died after being struck by Tasers in the USA reached 334 between 2001 and August 2008.

From the same article

Although most of the 334 deaths nationwide have been attributed to factors such as drug intoxication, medical examiners and coroners have concluded that Taser shocks caused or contributed to at least 50 of these deaths.

Another article mentions they have 164 taser related deaths from 2009-2011.
I couldn't find the number of those deaths that were attributed to other factors, or if the taser shocks caused or contributed to those deaths.

I did find some stats on Police Officers that were killed or injured from 92-97, but I was hoping to find stats for the same time period

https://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfar0029.txt

It shows 887 police officers were killed in the line of duty. Quite a few of them were considered Homicides. I also showed injuries and that quite a few were related to assaults.

I am curious to know if the increased use of tasers has reduced the number of officers that have died or been injured in the line of duty.

I also think that there should be better policies as to the use of tasers. Some officers have become very lazy in their use when they should use some other method. They should not use them on children, old people, and people with other issues if they know.

We also need to understand that officers are put in harms way often, and are expected to make split second decisions with little or no information or knowledge about a situation or the people involved. It's easy to sit here behind a computer, watching youtube and reading an article to say they should have made some other choice, but if we were behind the badge we don't know what we would have done.

The truth of this is probably somewhere in the middle... like most issues are.
The police should have some policy changes and adjust when the use of tasers are allowed, and hold the officers responsible if they do not adhere to those rules.

People also need to realize that when you ignore the authority of the police, and run from them, you have by that act put yourself into a situation that you do not control the results/consequences. You have put the ball in the court of someone else, that police officer in this situation, and you have no choice and will get whatever result comes your way. It would be nice if the police officers could handle every situation perfectly every time, but that is not realistic. If you don't want to get tased, cooperate.... or run faster or something.

If you are arguing the legality of it, there was no legal action taken on the officer and he was found guilty of no wrong doing.

If you are arguing the morality of it, go ahead, we are always up for a good "morality" thread here.

 

[GVC]

If you are arguing the legality of it, there was no legal action taken on the officer and he was found guilty of no wrong doing.

An internal investigation cleared him of any wrong doing. A lawsuit is coming, however, which will challenge the legality of the officer's action. Given Franklin's posts, it certainly seems as though the officer used his taser inappropriately, but we'll see how this all ends, I suppose.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

An internal investigation cleared him of any wrong doing. A lawsuit is coming, however, which will challenge the legality of the officer's action. Given Franklin's posts, it certainly seems as though the officer used his taser inappropriately, but we'll see how this all ends, I suppose.

So this is a criminal lawsuit, or a civil lawsuit?
Are they looking to get him jail time,or pay money?

I don't think we fully know what tasers do to people when they have one or more drugs in their system. No real way to test that. I am thinking the coma has more to do with the coke and other stuff in her system than the blow to the head... but I'm no expert.

 

[franklin]

I am curious to know if the increased use of tasers has reduced the number of officers that have died or been injured in the line of duty.

I'm going to speculate that tasers have not reduced the death rate by much. Sure there are some instances where an officer loses control of a suspect and ends up getting killed. However, my guess is most officer homicides are instances where the officers should never pull the taser instead of the gun. I'll use the recent Ogden slaying we discussed as example.

I also think that there should be better policies as to the use of tasers. Some officers have become very lazy in their use when they should use some other method. They should not use them on children, old people, and people with other issues if they know.

FWIW, this is pretty much exaclty what is in that FHP manual I posted.

We also need to understand that officers are put in harms way often, and are expected to make split second decisions with little or no information or knowledge about a situation or the people involved. It's easy to sit here behind a computer, watching youtube and reading an article to say they should have made some other choice, but if we were behind the badge we don't know what we would have done.

I more or less agree with your entire post except this part where you fail to condemn the officer for making a terrible decision. There was nothing split second about it. This was a very routine part of an officer's work and he was well prepared to make a better decision. If this were anywhere close to a questionable decision, and it was not, then I would back the officer 100% by giving him the benefit of the doubt.