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franklin said:
I'm going to speculate that tasers have not reduced the death rate by much. Sure there are some instances where an officer loses control of a suspect and ends up getting killed. However, my guess is most officer homicides are instances where the officers should never pull the taser instead of the gun. I'll use the recent Ogden slaying we discussed as example.
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In my reading, based on stats that are a bit old, there has been a drop in the number of deaths of police officers after they started using tasers. To be fair, they have also been using tasers quite a bit more lately which increases the number of issues with civilians even if the percentages stay the same.


franklin said:
I more or less agree with your entire post except this part where you fail to condemn the officer for making a terrible decision. There was nothing split second about it. This was a very routine part of an officer's work and he was well prepared to make a better decision. If this were anywhere close to a questionable decision, and it was not, then I would back the officer 100% by giving him the benefit of the doubt.
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If by condemn, you mean give him jail time, then no I don't condemn him.
"neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more".
 
JazzSpazz said:
If by condemn, you mean give him jail time, then no I don't condemn him.
"neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more".
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Oh great. Archieclown and trout are demanding the police taser handicapped old ladies fleeing in wheelchairs and you want to let all the murderers and rapists out of prison. Where has this world gone?
 
franklin said:
Oh great. Archieclown and trout are demanding the police taser handicapped old ladies fleeing in wheelchairs and you want to let all the murderers and rapists out of prison. Where has this world gone?
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Nice try. At least you lived up to your motto.
Go big, or don't post.

This has nothing to do with murderers or rapists, let alone any of them that are in prison.

Give it another try though. I will expect your next try to be even more exaggerated.

TIA
 
Archie Moses said:
You just don't get it, apologist.
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Turn your sarcasm meter back on.

You are the one apologizing for the officer's abuse of power and lawlessness.

I "just don't get it" but you refuse to provide a clarifying example or justify your position in even the most remotely logical way. When your position is shown to be outlandish you revert to offensives suitable for conservative AM radio.
 
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franklin said:
Turn your sarcasm meter back on.

You are the one apologizing for the officer's abuse of power and lawlessness.

I "just don't get it" but you refuse to provide a clarifying example or justify your position in even the most remotely logical way. When your position is shown to be outlandish you revert to offensives suitable for conservative AM radio.
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Wrong. You're apologizing for the criminal who did multiple things to put herself in a ****ty situation. Have I said there could have been different and better results? Yes. Did she get what she deserved? Absolutely not. But it was not the cop's intention to put her in a coma. He apprehended her in a controversial way, but when all is said and done, the girl is ultimately at fault for her fate in my opinion. Plus, I've already said multiple times why I feel the way I do or agreed with different opinions, and I've even told you I see where you're coming from. You're incapable of seeing the other side to this or unwilling. You've thrown in theology and moral beliefs insults and I've come to the conclusion that you must be trolling on this topic. Other than that, have a nice day, guy.
 
Archie Moses said:
Plus, I've already said multiple times why I feel the way I do or agreed with different opinions, and I've even told you I see where you're coming from. You're incapable of seeing the other side to this or unwilling.
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1. No one cares how you feel. We're interested in how your argument extends to other circumstances. If cops aren't held responsible for lazily or even maliciously violating police procedure or the criminal law, then what? This is where the old lady in a wheelchair example becomes relevant: What makes the situation in this thread (a 19-year-old non-violent criminal fleeing) any different than a 90-year-old bubble gum thief fleeing? Should police be able to use force at their discretion without any recourse? Should the existing standards of conduct be enforced or should they be changed? Why?

2. The other side is apparently incapable of making a rational argument. If you, or anyone else from among the collection of dunces in this thread, would at least try to do so, franklin (and I) could actually respond intelligently and respectfully. I'm not holding my breath.
 
Archie Moses said:
Wrong. You're apologizing for the criminal who did multiple things to put herself in a ****ty situation. Have I said there could have been different and better results? Yes. Did she get what she deserved? Absolutely not. But it was not the cop's intention to put her in a coma. He apprehended her in a controversial way, but when all is said and done, the girl is ultimately at fault for her fate in my opinion. Plus, I've already said multiple times why I feel the way I do or agreed with different opinions, and I've even told you I see where you're coming from. You're incapable of seeing the other side to this or unwilling. You've thrown in theology and moral beliefs insults and I've come to the conclusion that you must be trolling on this topic. Other than that, have a nice day, guy.
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That was a beautiful troll post Archie. +11.
 
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