Poll: Should the Jazz Match Hayward's $15.75 a year/4 year Contract?

[ema]

Yup

1. addictionary,
2. BabyPeterzz,
3. baka98,
4. Ben10,
5. BTP,
6. b_line,
7. ccjazz,
8. CosmoFrequency,
9. Cyrone Torbin,
10. delpotro,
11. Edgewriter,
12. ekimebirt,
13. Ellis269,
14. franklin,
15. fufo,
16. gandalfe,
17. GoBolts,
18. green,
19. Handlogten's Heros,
20. Hantlers,
21. Heathme,
22. Hekate,
23. heyhey,
24. hgb,
25. HighlandHomie,
26. homeytennis,
27. ianfaith,
28. Jazz Punk Rocker,
29. Jazz Traveler,
30. JAZZGASM,
31. jazzman12,
32. JazzTalk,
33. jope,
34. jumpin bean,
35. karpasov,
36. kyjazzfan,
37. laytonjazzfan,
38. LjJazzman,
39. Med_Phys,
40. Mic,
41. midnight shift,
42. Mithrandir,
43. mrob,
44. My2Cents,
45. olden_undercover,
46. phippsj,
47. pkmag2,
48. Pouyan,
49. Qman,
50. richgates,
51. Romoholic,
52. Rsn,
53. Scorpjazz,
54. Sexual Favors,
55. sgjazzfan,
56. Stickler,
57. stitches,
58. Stocker,
59. The Pearl,
60. The Stig,
61. trailing,
62. truebludarlz,
63. uumoss,
64. yzbat,
65. Zulu

Nope

1. 2020,
2. akirac73,
3. AKMVP,
4. BENTLEY,
5. bjunior,
6. blacksalad,
7. Bodhi,
8. burkyturky,
9. CAKAR,
10. CALJAZZFAN,
11. cctrackstar,
12. Chris,
13. ClLUTClH,
14. cnavk,
15. colton,
16. Core4,
17. cowhide,
18. Crawlnstall,
19. d@!!0n0rcutt,
20. da ThRONe,
21. David Ginola 14,
22. dd11,
23. DForceAUS,
24. Diamond77,
25. dipship31,
26. dong2ha,
27. Doublea,
28. Duck Rodgers,
29. Eenie-Meenie,
30. Ellipse,
31. ElRoach0,
32. Enes CanTear You Apart,
33. Fabtrey,
34. fishonjazz,
35. footawn,
36. freakazoid,
37. friendsinmyhead,
38. Gamer13,
39. Greasy84,
40. gregbroncs,
41. Growlor,
42. guus,
43. Hack,
44. Hotttnickkk,
45. ijazz,
46. Jazz4ever,
47. Jazzman_86,
48. jazzrule,
49. jazzyapma,
50. jjscap,
51. JLT,
52. kabenac,
53. kanter28,
54. kanye,
55. Legatus,
56. LifeOnaPlate,
57. LogGrad98,
58. Mr. McGibblets,
59. Nate505,
60. newey-west,
61. NUMBERICA,
62. oldtimer,
63. PKM,
64. PointGod_AlecBurks,
65. quattro179,
66. QuinSnydersHair,
67. reignman40,
68. Revolution 9,
69. Shocker00,
70. Sirkickyass,
71. Snygg,
72. sojodave,
73. somebody,
74. Spaniard,
75. Spinoza,
76. SP_Eagle,
77. Stoked,
78. str8line,
79. Tarkanian,
80. The Blue Elephant,
81. The Thriller,
82. Trollolololol,
83. TurboNed,
84. turmoka,
85. Twin Towers,
86. Uberspork,
87. UGLI baby,
88. urujazz,
89. VINYLONE,
90. White Chocolate,
91. Xeoa,
92. yamers,
93. YB85,
94. Yell42,
95. [size/HUGE] fixed [/size]

The war is coming!

 

[ema]

I'm happy I've chosen the right side. God is on our side, people.

 

[Ellipse]

I'm happy I've chosen the right side. God is on our side, people.

Or at least PKM.

 

[GVC]

You obviously have no clue about how the salary cap works and market price...

A lot of people are saying this, but I'm not sure they understand the difference between short-run market price and long-run market price/short- and long-run value.

 

[Stoked]

I'm happy I've chosen the right side. God is on our side, people.

Dude, we have the Thriller.

Can I change sides?

 

[BTP]

Has nothing to do with right side. I'm still waiting to see something smart from the anti-Hayward front.

What exactly would you do with the capspace that stays open by letting Hayward walk?

I just look at his '17 and '18 outs and I don't see a lot of valuable free agents then unless the SoBe-Mafia hands out some shady 3 years max deals and Derrick Rose has some weird reincarnation.
This year's free agency is a freak accident that none saw coming. Through a lot of unforeseen circumstances you had extra players and others becoming players towards end of the season.

So feel free to convince me what exactly you would do with the Jazz capspace when you let Gordon walk.

 

[cowhide]

For me it comes down to one thing, yes the Jazz can afford to pay Hayward, yes there is a cap minimum limit that needs to be met, yes the Jazz will miss some of the things Hayward does, but the one glaring problem I have with giving Hayward the max is he hasn't earned it. You do not overpay for anything if you are smart.

I lived in CA during the last housing madness 2004-2005, people were bidding against each other for housing paying thousands of $$$$ more than a house was worth. Guess what happened the recession and then people who had paid these crazy prices were under water and couldn't get rid of their houses. This is how Jazz fans are going to feel if they give Hayward the Max and he plays like he has or even worse continues to get worse as a shooter. He is going to be the same target he was before when he said he wasn't getting the same shots and that was why he struggled. I am certain that the Jazz are going to go against conventional wisdom and give Hayward the max. I can only imagine how miserable Hayward is going to be when he starts slowly again and starts clanking shots.

I hope I am wrong and Quin works his magic and Hayward becomes the player many people think he is. However, it won't change my belief that an organization should never pay a player Max money on potential. It is time for Gordon to step up and play at the level he wants to get paid.

 

[The Midnight]

Has nothing to do with right side. I'm still waiting to see something smart from the anti-Hayward front.

What exactly would you do with the capspace that stays open by letting Hayward walk?

I just look at his '17 and '18 outs and I don't see a lot of valuable free agents then unless the SoBe-Mafia hands out some shady 3 years max deals and Derrick Rose has some weird reincarnation.
This year's free agency is a freak accident that none saw coming. Through a lot of unforeseen circumstances you had extra players and others becoming players towards end of the season.

So feel free to convince me what exactly you would do with the Jazz capspace when you let Gordon walk.

Free agents aren't the only thing capspace can be used for. It can also be used to absorb bad contracts, helps a team in need of capspace and obtain players or draft picks we would otherwise have no way of receiving.



But I'm sure you already knew that.

 

[BTP]

A lot of people are saying this, but I'm not sure they understand the difference between short-run market price and long-run market price/short- and long-run value.

I know I understand the market and the projected developments and I'm pretty sure from all the convos I've had on this board that there are very little people who know free agent classes as well as I do.
I could give you a little discourse why this year's free agency has developed into such a mess.

 

[ema]

Dude, we have the Thriller.

Can I change sides?

Ahem..friend..cough..ly..fire..cough

 

[cowhide]

Has nothing to do with right side. I'm still waiting to see something smart from the anti-Hayward front.

What exactly would you do with the capspace that stays open by letting Hayward walk?

I just look at his '17 and '18 outs and I don't see a lot of valuable free agents then unless the SoBe-Mafia hands out some shady 3 years max deals and Derrick Rose has some weird reincarnation.
This year's free agency is a freak accident that none saw coming. Through a lot of unforeseen circumstances you had extra players and others becoming players towards end of the season.

So feel free to convince me what exactly you would do with the Jazz capspace when you let Gordon walk.

So your argument is just spend money because you have it.

1) Talk with Deng/Ariza to see if they were interested in playing with the Jazz.
2) If #1 isn't an option then Bring in a patchwork vet for 2 years, play Hood
3) Suck one more year and draft another SF next year - I heard this coming draft has several SF
4) Make a trade - take on a bad contract for a year and pick up some assets (this covers spending just to spend)
5) Extend Kanter and Burks
6) Give bonuses to all the players on the current Jazz roster.
7) Free agents next year Klay Thompson and Leonard. Give them the max.

 

[BTP]

Free agents aren't the only thing capspace can be used for. It can also be used to absorb bad contracts, helps a team in need of capspace and obtain players or draft picks we would otherwise have no way of receiving.



But I'm sure you already knew that.

Not going to be valuable. Teams that plan for 2016 are already in a good position. Other teams won't do the hassle to be in play for mid market free agents. Boozer/Amare/Bargs are the last high profile salary cap absorbs left in this summer.