Poll: Would you do this trade? Stephen Jackson and Nazr Mohammed (expiring) for AK?
- Thread starter Gyp Rosetti
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Charlotte has been managed nightmarishly bad. They dumped their highest draft pick for what ended up being absolutely nothing, they essentially let their second-highest draft pick walk to the Knicks and looks like a stud now, they traded their best-scoring wing for old role players, and then changed their mind and traded the better player on the better contract and some other garbage for a different scoring wing that is older and worse. They've sold draft picks when they didn't have enough talent and traded away players on rookie deals to get older players even though they haven't been in the contention hunt by a mile. Hopefully Jordan has a clue how to run that team but they dug themselves into a hell of a whole. The best thing that organization has done by a light-year was draft and see Gerald Wallace emerge, and he's not even that great. They have two clear assets; Augustin and Wallace, and that's really ****ing pathetic.
Chad Feldheimer
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I think if the Jazz were going to make a move now would be a good time to do it. Dallas is getting hit with some injuries (Butler looks like he done for awhile if not the season and Dirk missing games). The Lakers look as vulnerable as they have been in a number of years. The only teams clearly better than the Jazz are SA & LAL(looking more beatable though).
chemdude1232
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Not being argumentative, but how much of that was when MJ was piloting the ship? I don't think he'd sign off on their two stars leaving to the same team for a guy like AK and a rookie.
I can tell you're either a CJ hater or a +/- hater and that you're blinded to truth by it. +/- is an INDICATOR just like PER or ANY OTHER METRIC is an indicator. I have a general rule; if the PER metric and net +/- metric say a player's good, a player is good. It likewise applies if you're making comparisons.
I've now said twice what my point is. If you want to turn this into something I never said, feel free to continue to make an *** of yourself.
Understood. Hardly any of it was, I was just going off on a tangent about how bad that organization has been.
Chad Feldheimer
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That would put them at 40M committed salary with a 9M expiring deal in Diaw to work with for next year. That is a ton of flexibility. They aren't winning. If they want to rebuild that isn't a horrible deal.
Gyp Rosetti
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Every player in the top 30 or so in +/- is on LA, the Heat, Orlando, Dallas,the Celts along with Rose and Miles. Does that mean every player not there sucks or is not as good as those players possibly? I mean, Chris Bosh is first in +/-. Is he the cog that makes Miami go? Give me a break bro. I'm neither a +/- hater nor a Miles hater. I just see things as how they are. +/- like any stat should be taken with a grain of salt as it's not some perfect indicator. I also know that Miles and anyone else (AK, Hayward, Bell) won't cut it at the wings for us. The simplest way to put it is this. SJax is a far better player than any of our wings, yes, even AK. Period. He gives us a big upgrade and Mohammed gives us depth up front and rebounding which we sorely need. It also saves the Millers about 3M this year. Be honest with yourself, you're worried about Jackson's contract. You don't think Greggy boy will foolishly overpay to retain AK's services anyway for about 8-9M per anyway?
chemdude1232
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"Epically bad," or "disastrous," or "seemingly run by a band of red-faced baboons" would all apply. And I see your points too. Hopefully you see why I have this man-crush on Jax too. Whether we trade AK or Memo for him doesn't matter much to me, because I see Jax as an upgrade regardless.
I agree. The length of the deal and the age of the player involved could be catastrophic, though. There has to be a way for the Jazz to get out of this theme of paying out of its *** for one or two deals that are too much for too long at some point.
I'm not AK or CJ homer. And yes, that's been my point, I am worried as **** about Jackson's contract. I've said that too many times. The Jazz are not good enough or have the massive financial support that the Lakers, Knicks, Celtics, whoever have to be treating big contracts with significant risks attached like it's not a big deal.
I know Memo is worth less, but I would gauge what the interest would be from there. The risks are much less if you're getting rid of Memo.
chemdude1232
Active Member
This will seem like a bit of a cop-out, but with a potential looming lockout on the horizon, the Jazz might not be absorbing much of a hit at all re: Jax's salary. Effectively this could be a one and a half year loan on a guy who, this year at least, could surely provide the impetus for us to reach June.