Porn (no links allowed obviously)

[One Brow]

How is fast food more immoral than an industry that objectifies men and women? I would like to read your opinion.

The fast food industry takes advantage of low-skilled people, offering them little in the way of benefits and generally no future, and basically treating them like disposable cogs. Not too mention the way it treats animals, the environment, etc.

There is a great deal of porn (I would suggest most porn) that depicts adults basically having fun with each other. I agree that rape films, snuff films, etc. are objectifying. However, I see the way Connery-Bond treated women as being much more objectifying than most porn.

 

[Former Member]

Well, that's just the slightest bit judgmental, don't you think? I'd say more, but I don't want to complete derail this conversation, and as you say, you don't have time fir a detailed discussion anyhow. The short version: the rules of natural law morality are based on arbitrary determinations, and I see no reason to think of them as being fundamental, and therefore see your depictions here as mere high-handed preaching.

I see no problem with his query. Your analogy and logic do not seem sound.

Very well. I apologize for derailing this thread. Hopefully this topic can be restored to its proper place. One which openly promotes a business that objectifies men and women while promoting sexual immorality.

 

[One Brow]

Anybody that doesn't like porn or bacon is imo a liar.

Let's not go overboard, there. I'd agree that *almost* everyone likes some sort of porn.

 

[Former Member]

Cheating on your taxes is illegal and unequivocally not analogous to asking for recs for porn sites on the web. This thread is no different than me asking what people's favorite alcoholic beverages are (as there is a legal age restriction), or favorite R-rated movie is.

Being legal in society does not make something moral.

 

[One Brow]

Very well. I apologize for derailing this thread. Hopefully this topic can be restored to its proper place. One which openly promotes a business that objectifies men and women while promoting sexual immorality.

Is the RCC scared of the competition?

Edit: This went too far. I apologize for that.

 

[HighlandHomie]

Very well. I apologize for derailing this thread. Hopefully this topic can be restored to its proper place. One which openly promotes a business that objectifies men and women while promoting sexual immorality.

What about network TV, commercials and just about every corner of American culture that sells a prepackaged image citizens should fit into? The men and women in porn choose to participate. You realize this right? They aren't enslaved and forced to engage in intercourse on camera.

 

[Former Member]

The fast food industry takes advantage of low-skilled people, offering them little in the way of benefits and generally no future, and basically treating them like disposable cogs. Not too mention the way it treats animals, the environment, etc.

There is a great deal of porn (I would suggest most porn) that depicts adults basically having fun with each other. I agree that rape films, snuff films, etc. are objectifying. However, I see the way Connery-Bond treated women as being much more objectifying than most porn.

I agree with you regarding the maltreatment of low income workers. However, I believe that you understate the immorality of porn.

 

[Former Member]

What about network TV, commercials and just about every corner of American culture that sells a prepackaged image citizens should fit into? The men and women in porn choose to participate. You realize this right? They aren't enslaved and forced to engage in intercourse on camera.

Whether someone chooses to participate in something should not effect the moral nature of the action. I can choose to steal, yet it would still be wrong for me to do so. Men and women choose to watch films that objectify the dignity of the human person, yet it is still wrong for them to do so.

 

[dodo]

There are many things worse than porn - cheap clothes made in Bangladeshi sweat shop for pennies, iphones made by kids in chinese factories, oil companies ruining and poisoning native communities in S.America that fill up your gas tanks, and yet you raise the issue of porn being immoral. Porn is a form of entertainment, just like the violent video games are...Or you'd argue against them too?

 

[dodo]

I agree with you regarding the maltreatment of low income workers. However, I believe that you understate the immorality of porn.

Which moral is that? Yours or mine?

 

[HighlandHomie]

Whether someone chooses to participate in something should not effect the moral nature of the action. I can choose to steal, yet it would still be wrong for me to do so. Men and women choose to watch films that objectify the dignity of the human person, yet it is still wrong for them to do so.

But you've limited this all to just porn. Every religion objectifies men and women as well. Your moral compass doesn't work. You're choosing to define how everyone should live.

 

[One Brow]

I agree with you regarding the maltreatment of low income workers. However, I believe that you understate the immorality of porn.

IIRC, you are well-versed and well-entrenched in RCC teaching, and I learned enough about that subject to develop an appreciation for why you feel this way.

 

[Former Member]

Is the RCC scared of the competition?

I'm glad you got that off your chest. I am not going to deny that some of the clergy in the RCC has done heinous actions against the most vulnerable. I cannot deny the culpability of the assailants just like I cannot deny the immorality of the actions.

 

[Former Member]

Which moral is that? Yours or mine?

Ah! And know we have come to the crux of the issue. Is morality objective or subjective? Obviously, I do not believe the truth nor morality can be subjective.

 

[♪alt13]

Whether someone chooses to participate in something should not effect the moral nature of the action. I can choose to steal, yet it would still be wrong for me to do so. Men and women choose to watch films that objectify the dignity of the human person, yet it is still wrong for them to do so.

No. You are ignoring the other party in your analogy.(victim of theft) I think people can be objectified and retain their dignity just fine. Think of all the actors and actresses that have been objectified yet maintain their dignity.

 

[8]

The fast food industry takes advantage of low-skilled people, offering them little in the way of benefits and generally no future, and basically treating them like disposable cogs. Not too mention the way it treats animals, the environment, etc.

There is a great deal of porn (I would suggest most porn) that depicts adults basically having fun with each other. I agree that rape films, snuff films, etc. are objectifying. However, I see the way Connery-Bond treated women as being much more objectifying than most porn.

I view fast-food work differently than you. I view it as an opportunity for unskilled workers to better become more qualified and move beyond the fast-food job.

Connery Bond's treatment of women is appalling btw

 

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I jerked off while reading this thread. WhiskyPriest took me to the next level. I guess I can skip my lunchtime porn.

Ciao.

 

[8]

Ah! And know we have come to the crux of the issue. Is morality objective or subjective? Obviously, I do not believe the truth nor morality can be subjective.

I think the crux of the issue is the inability to simply disagree and not respect the opinions of other people instead of limiting their personal freedoms because of their opposition to something in which they are not required to participate

 

[Former Member]

There are many things worse than porn - cheap clothes made in Bangladeshi sweat shop for pennies, iphones made by kids in chinese factories, oil companies ruining and poisoning native communities in S.America that fill up your gas tanks, and yet you raise the issue of porn being immoral. Porn is a form of entertainment, just like the violent video games are...Or you'd argue against them too?

I agree with you that sweat shops (and possibly globalization in itself) are horrible things? Why? It is because of how the individual is treated in the work environment. Humanity's worth should never be based off of how productive they are in society. Also, no one should use another human being to make as much money off of as possible.

Porn is not just a form of entertainment. There are many victims of the porn industry. One of which is the viewer, who objectifies the men and women in the pornographic films.

Violent video games are an interesting topic of discussion. They are somewhat equivalent to porn because the viewer of the game/porn is learning to disregard the dignity of human life during both experiences. However, a violent video game is simulated, whereas pornography is a film of the actual. I think that distinction should be mentioned.

 

[Former Member]

No. You are ignoring the other party in your analogy.(victim of theft) I think people can be objectified and retain their dignity just fine. Think of all the actors and actresses that have been objectified yet maintain their dignity.

There is no victim when one objectifies another? What about voyeurism or peeping Toms? What about young women who are filmed without their consent? You make it sound like you can distinguish between good porn or bad porn. The truth is that porn simply objectifies.