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Treats objects like women
 
WhiskyPriest said:
There is no victim when one objectifies another? What about voyeurism or peeping Toms? What about young women who are filmed without their consent? You make it sound like you can distinguish between good porn or bad porn. The truth is that porn simply objectifies.
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This is a ridiculous post.

1 There is not necessarily a victim when someone is objectified. As long as the attention is welcomed there is no problem.

2 Voyeurism and peeping toms are a separate issue. This is like saying that accepting a gift is immoral because it is the same thing as stealing one.
 
WhiskyPriest said:
There is no victim when one objectifies another? What about voyeurism or peeping Toms? What about young women who are filmed without their consent? You make it sound like you can distinguish between good porn or bad porn. The truth is that porn simply objectifies.
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Yes, when one has their rights infringed upon and is harmed by a situation without their consent, it is bad.
You are missing the fact that there are many situations where everyone involved is happy with the exchange. Simple economics. Two actors participate in a porno and get paid. Their participation deems this a valid exchange. One gives time and possibly money to gain enjoyment by watching it. Who's rights are infringed upon in this case?
 
One Brow said:
I apologize for this comment. It was a little over the line for a discussion with WhiskeyPriest.
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I accept your apology. Also, I understand the frustration which caused the statement. When members of the clergy abuse the vulnerable, they break a communal trust that takes generations to heal... If ever.
 
WhiskyPriest said:
I'm glad you got that off your chest. I am not going to deny that some of the clergy in the RCC has done heinous actions against the most vulnerable. I cannot deny the culpability of the assailants just like I cannot deny the immorality of the actions.
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Actually, that's not what I was talking about, but it's my fault for not being clearer on the subject. I was referring to RCC doctrines that I find immoral, not the behaviors of individuals.
 
Just want to say I'm the only one who posted quality sources of said subject matter. The only reason I felt compelled to share them is that I actually feel they are of a higher quality and standard than most. They portray women as beautiful and sexual beings capable of giving and receiving pleasure.

I have my reservations about what leads a woman into the porn industry. It would certainly ruin it for me completely if I felt the woman was being coerced and victimized. I don't believe all porn does that. I'm sure that some does.
 
WhiskyPriest said:
Ah! And know we have come to the crux of the issue. Is morality objective or subjective? Obviously, I do not believe the truth nor morality can be subjective.
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You could probably make an argument for objective truth, depending on how you define truth. I have never seen a successful argument that there is an objective morality, without presupposing many other questionable things.
 
One Brow said:
Actually, that's not what I was talking about, but it's my fault for not being clearer on the subject. I was referring to RCC doctrines that I find immoral, not the behaviors of individuals.
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Oh, then I apologize for misreading your post. I have grown accustomed to people bringing up child abuse scandals.
 
LazyD said:
I view fast-food work differently than you. I view it as an opportunity for unskilled workers to better become more qualified and move beyond the fast-food job.

Connery Bond's treatment of women is appalling btw
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I don't disagree with what you said about fast-food restaurants, at least to a degree. I think both points are true.
 
One Brow said:
I don't disagree with what you said about fast-food restaurants, at least to a degree. I think both points are true.
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Indeed. It's difficult to discuss because people generalize and tend to overlook the fact that no two situations are similar
 
One Brow said:
You could probably make an argument for objective truth, depending on how you define truth. I have never seen a successful argument that there is an objective morality, without presupposing many other questionable things.
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We probably would need a lot more time and a lot more dialogue... I imagine that I am presupposing many things that you disagree with.
 
Gameface said:
Just want to say I'm the only one who posted quality sources of said subject matter. The only reason I felt compelled to share them is that I actually feel they are of a higher quality and standard than most. They portray women as beautiful and sexual beings capable of giving and receiving pleasure.

I have my reservations about what leads a woman into the porn industry. It would certainly ruin it for me completely if I felt the woman was being coerced and victimized. I don't believe all porn does that. I'm sure that some does.
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Your rep power is at 69 lulz
 
One Brow said:
Sorry, I prefer my porn written to visual, and I've almost always been satisfied with alt.sex.stories.moderated or it's derivatives.
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Since this can be stated in anonymity I'll provide an eerie example

I am not ashamed to say that books can be exciting. However, I feel unsure of myself after reading the book "Lolita"
While I am not sexual attracted to 9-14 year old girls, I found some of the passages to be semi-arousing.

Is this immoral?
 
LazyD said:
Since this can be stated in anonymity I'll provide an eerie example

I am not ashamed to say that books can be exciting. However, I feel unsure of myself after reading the book "Lolita"
While I am not sexual attracted to 9-14 year old girls, I found some of the passages to be semi-arousing.

Is this immoral?
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The Lolita of the title is not an actual person, and the writer, IIRC, is using a unreliable narrator to tell the story. So, I wouldn't be surprised if your reaction came from Humbert making Lolita sound like, look like, or react like an adult, as opposed to a child.
 
One Brow said:
Sorry, I prefer my porn written to visual, and I've almost always been satisfied with alt.sex.stories.moderated or it's derivatives.
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Sounds fun. Let me try...

I would start by massaging her delicate bottom, kneading her buns as I eye her little hole. Hopefully this would relax her muscles such that I could insert one digit (probably my middle finger, well lubricated with saliva) through her sphincter to feel the inner lining of her warm and tender ******. She would tighten involuntarily at the strange sensation of being penetrated this way, gasping in surprise and embarrassment, but as soon as she loosened I would jam my finger home, knuckle-deep in her beautiful backside. Then I'd withdraw just as quickly, give her rump a playful pat, and reach forward so she could suck my finger with ladylike propriety and grace.
 
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