Preference for final roster move for the Jazz (poll)

[Deleted member 365]

Is Dunn a FA? He should be a "no duh" move imo.

 

[Isaiah 1:13]

None of those trades really moves the needle. Sure cutting Oni and adding Kris Dunn sounds good on paper, but when you have an OCD coach that can't even find time for the MVP of the NCAA finals Championship Bears when the team is shorthanded and spent on the back-end of a back to back, what's the use? For all its' promise and appeal, this team is beginning to look more and more like "fools' gold" the way it is currently constructed. A rookie is not supposed to take over the game against veterans like last night. Same thing happened in the playoffs last year with Mann. Therefore, I propose we trade Don and Jordan for Simmons, Curry and an unprotected First and then pray for a coaching change for allowing such an audacious move and failing to once again get past the second round. Hire Kenny Atkinson and watch us win it all!!!!

Puts on flame retardant hazmat!!!

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

To add to Dunn I would say bringing in Langston Galloway would be another guy to look at. Oni is really behind Forrest, Butler, and maybe even Hughes (I'd personally give him burn before Oni). If you can't dribble or pass at all you need to be a sharp shooter and good defender. I know he isn't a sharp shooter and he fouls too much on defense.

If we are going to bench Butler I'd rather give Galloway the playing time than Forrest. Maybe Forrest works better when JC is making shots and we play Rudy Gay instead of Paschall because there will be more shooting.

 

[KqWIN]

Maybe I'm wrong and he's in perfect shape and ready to play. The more I read about Dunn this summer, the more concerned I got about his health. That situation did not sound good and it wasn't a good sign that there seemed to be no interest around the league for him.

I think all of our younger guys are better bets than Dunn or Aminu. If we really don't believe in one our young guys, I'd actually prefer a random Rayjon Tucker type who we've never heard of or has never gotten a chance.

In hindsight, the defensive guard we should have taken a look at is Gary Payton II. He isn't exactly young and has had a few opportunities in the past, but he finally got the right situation and opportunity to excel in. GSW got another nice rotation player in a similar fashion with JTA. I think you're best off taking a chance on the unproven guys and/or younger players you've been developing for a specific role. Veteran player who's been injured and everyone has given up on would be lower on my priority. I think this is especially the case when you're looking at defensive players who rely on their body and athleticism more.

 

[LogGrad98]

Butler needs more burn, but it is pretty clear he isn't going to get it. We need a perimeter stopper who can step in against the Anthonys and Manns out there and at least disrupt them somewhat. We have no one who can do that. It is pretty clear we aren't getting that either. So we don't give our promising rookie any time and we aren't concerned in the least about perimeter D. Sounds like the FO/coaching staff is fooling themselves.

 

[Isaiah 1:13]

Butler needs more burn, but it is pretty clear he isn't going to get it. We need a perimeter stopper who can step in against the Anthonys and Manns out there and at least disrupt them somewhat. We have no one who can do that. It is pretty clear we aren't getting that either. So we don't give our promising rookie any time and we aren't concerned in the least about perimeter D. Sounds like the FO/coaching staff is fooling themselves.

Preaching to the choir......well even if it is a choir of one.

 

[infection]

Butler needs more burn, but it is pretty clear he isn't going to get it. We need a perimeter stopper who can step in against the Anthonys and Manns out there and at least disrupt them somewhat. We have no one who can do that. It is pretty clear we aren't getting that either. So we don't give our promising rookie any time and we aren't concerned in the least about perimeter D. Sounds like the FO/coaching staff is fooling themselves.

As long as the amalgamated numbers look okay we can pretend it’s not a problem.

 

[KqWIN]

Perimeter defense has been an easily identifiable issue for years and like other's I agree we haven't really addressed it. I don't think roster spots 11-14 is really going to make a dent into this issue. To make a real difference I think we need a defensive upgrade in the key rotation pieces. Otherwise we're basically rolling out the same group expecting different results. That doesn't mean we can't win, we were legit title favorites last year deeper into the playoffs, but it's a pretty big hurdle to overcome.

I think this will always be a problem to some degree because we have Mitchell and Conley. Opposing teams are going to go at them in the playoffs and have favorable matchups, so there's only so much a good on ball defender can do. I think more than anything we just need more athleticism, size, toughness ect to cover for those two when Gobert. We'll see how Rudy Gay looks and if he becomes a legitimate option to play big minutes in the playoffs or he's more of a role player who we hope plays better than Niang in the playoffs.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Maybe I'm wrong and he's in perfect shape and ready to play. The more I read about Dunn this summer, the more concerned I got about his health. That situation did not sound good and it wasn't a good sign that there seemed to be no interest around the league for him.

I think all of our younger guys are better bets than Dunn or Aminu. If we really don't believe in one our young guys, I'd actually prefer a random Rayjon Tucker type who we've never heard of or has never gotten a chance.

In hindsight, the defensive guard we should have taken a look at is Gary Payton II. He isn't exactly young and has had a few opportunities in the past, but he finally got the right situation and opportunity to excel in. GSW got another nice rotation player in a similar fashion with JTA. I think you're best off taking a chance on the unproven guys and/or younger players you've been developing for a specific role. Veteran player who's been injured and everyone has given up on would be lower on my priority. I think this is especially the case when you're looking at defensive players who rely on their body and athleticism more.

Payton is one of the many I've mentioned over the years. Guys that get a ton of deflections can have a high impact in short minutes.

I think health is an issue for Dunn but couldn't confirm if he currently has an injury. I don't know why we wouldn't go after a guy like Langston Galloway though. He plays good defense and might be more effective now that they are letting guys get into perimeter guys a bit more... and he's a good shooter. So he can be an offball 3 and D type, but he can also handle the ball if you need him too. He's smallish but its not like its huge guys that light us up... its generally been smaller guards we've struggled with. Mike has been better against these types the last year and a half but we need to lighten his load. If we aren't willing to develop Butler then get a guy like Galloway.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Perimeter defense has been an easily identifiable issue for years and like other's I agree we haven't really addressed it. I don't think roster spots 11-14 is really going to make a dent into this issue. To make a real difference I think we need a defensive upgrade in the key rotation pieces. Otherwise we're basically rolling out the same group expecting different results. That doesn't mean we can't win, we were legit title favorites last year deeper into the playoffs, but it's a pretty big hurdle to overcome.

I think this will always be a problem to some degree because we have Mitchell and Conley. Opposing teams are going to go at them in the playoffs and have favorable matchups, so there's only so much a good on ball defender can do. I think more than anything we just need more athleticism, size, toughness ect to cover for those two when Gobert. We'll see how Rudy Gay looks and if he becomes a legitimate option to play big minutes in the playoffs or he's more of a role player who we hope plays better than Niang in the playoffs.

I think it would need to come at JC or Bogey's expense... and its really hard. I think Gay will help. I think if we have healthy Mike and healthy Donovan that the defense will be a lot better than last year in the playoffs. Donovan has been a lot better on that end (last night not so much).

At some point the pivot might be from JC to a more normal player. The better we get the more his role would be marginalized imo. The issue is any trade has as much chance to make you worse as it does to make you better. Part of the reason I'd like to see Butler more is I think he can become a player you let cook (like JC) but his passing is very good. It was the thing that surprised me most. I know he over dribbles (so does JC) but he has showed he can really set guys up. His shot will start falling... in a 3-4 minute stint it is so hard to shoot well. Think how many games Don gets off to a slow start and is 0-4 in the first few minutes. If we continue the way we have I think its a huge mistake.

 

[KqWIN]

Payton is one of the many I've mentioned over the years. Guys that get a ton of deflections can have a high impact in short minutes.

I think health is an issue for Dunn but couldn't confirm if he currently has an injury. I don't know why we wouldn't go after a guy like Langston Galloway though. He plays good defense and might be more effective now that they are letting guys get into perimeter guys a bit more... and he's a good shooter. So he can be an offball 3 and D type, but he can also handle the ball if you need him too. He's smallish but its not like its huge guys that light us up... its generally been smaller guards we've struggled with. Mike has been better against these types the last year and a half but we need to lighten his load. If we aren't willing to develop Butler then get a guy like Galloway.

Galloway is someone who I'm surprised didn't make a roster. He went to GSW but got cut right at the end...seems like a bad suggestion because GSW had a lot of end of roster casualties (including Paschall). He barely played last year, but he was good in his minutes and was behind good players. The year before he played a lot of minutes for DET and was solid. I don't think he's the same aggressive defender he was when he first entered the league for the Knicks, but he can really shoot it. He's more in the Bjelica or Whiteside group of vets who were out of commission last year but can still play than the Dunn or Aminu types who have an extensive list of injuries.

I've voiced my concerns about blocking Butler. I feel that if we just let Butler play it out and get used to playing with better teammates he'll be better than someone like Galloway in no time....but if we're not doing that might as well get a solid player you can trust. I think it's fine to move on from one of the young bench dwellers for someone you can confidently rely on. Shooting might become an issue with that second unit and I'm confident Galloway can shoot.

My first choice is still Butler and I guess I'd still lean Oni/Hughes over Galloway. I'm not sure if Galloway has much interest right now so maybe you can scoop him up later and give the others a chance. I think Forrest is my least preferred option because as much as I love his defense I don't have hope for his offense.

I think it would need to come at JC or Bogey's expense... and its really hard. I think Gay will help. I think if we have healthy Mike and healthy Donovan that the defense will be a lot better than last year in the playoffs. Donovan has been a lot better on that end (last night not so much).

At some point the pivot might be from JC to a more normal player. The better we get the more his role would be marginalized imo. The issue is any trade has as much chance to make you worse as it does to make you better. Part of the reason I'd like to see Butler more is I think he can become a player you let cook (like JC) but his passing is very good. It was the thing that surprised me most. I know he over dribbles (so does JC) but he has showed he can really set guys up. His shot will start falling... in a 3-4 minute stint it is so hard to shoot well. Think how many games Don gets off to a slow start and is 0-4 in the first few minutes. If we continue the way we have I think its a huge mistake.

Yeah...I think it's got to be JC or Bogey. I think both guys are good players and valuable, but if we really want to attack this defensive issue we've got to give up that luxury for a defensive player. Hard to pick between the two and hard to know what exactly their trade value is.

Our best chance at winning the title could very be to just double and triple down on offense and hope we outshoot teams. But I'm traumatized by what's happened the past couple of years. I'm on the side that we should try to balance the strengths/weaknesses out a little bit more.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Galloway is someone who I'm surprised didn't make a roster. He went to GSW but got cut right at the end...seems like a bad suggestion because GSW had a lot of end of roster casualties (including Paschall). He barely played last year, but he was good in his minutes and was behind good players. The year before he played a lot of minutes for DET and was solid. I don't think he's the same aggressive defender he was when he first entered the league for the Knicks, but he can really shoot it. He's more in the Bjelica or Whiteside group of vets who were out of commission last year but can still play than the Dunn or Aminu types who have an extensive list of injuries.

I've voiced my concerns about blocking Butler. I feel that if we just let Butler play it out and get used to playing with better teammates he'll be better than someone like Galloway in no time....but if we're not doing that might as well get a solid player you can trust. I think it's fine to move on from one of the young bench dwellers for someone you can confidently rely on. Shooting might become an issue with that second unit and I'm confident Galloway can shoot.

My first choice is still Butler and I guess I'd still lean Oni/Hughes over Galloway. I'm not sure if Galloway has much interest right now so maybe you can scoop him up later and give the others a chance. I think Forrest is my least preferred option because as much as I love his defense I don't have hope for his offense.



Yeah...I think it's got to be JC or Bogey. I think both guys are good players and valuable, but if we really want to attack this defensive issue we've got to give up that luxury for a defensive player. Hard to pick between the two and hard to know what exactly their trade value is.

Our best chance at winning the title could very be to just double and triple down on offense and hope we outshoot teams. But I'm traumatized by what's happened the past couple of years. I'm on the side that we should try to balance the strengths/weaknesses out a little bit more.

If you had Galloway and its working I could see him and JB being the answer to replacing JC. I think it comes down to whether or not Quin will play JB. Galloway's defense was good in Detroit as well... I remember always coming away with how hard he was playing even though they sucked.

If you choose between JC and Bogey I think its not really close imo. I think Bogey can be a 30 minute a night guy on a championship team... he can just integrate better with others. I think JC's role gets smaller as you go farther in the playoffs. He's a great innings eater in the regular season and if he comes in smoking hot in the playoffs he can win you a game. If you could flip JC for Smart I think you are as close to a complete team as possible... given the limitations of our stars. The contracts are tough to lineup and JC is a tough guy to see where he'd have interest.