Prion relocation

[♪alt13]

It seems to me that the state is going about this the wrong way.

I think they should have had an open bidding process from communities. Let them include different levels of payments in lieu of taxes. Take the best bid.

Payments in lieu of taxes is when one level of government pay another for the use of land. Government land isn't taxed so the payments help offset the lost property taxes.

Personally I think the state should pay a community when they move in something like a prison.

 

[VINYLONE]

 

[bigb]

It seems to me that the state is going about this the wrong way.

I think they should have had an open bidding process from communities. Let them include different levels of payments in lieu of taxes. Take the best bid.

Payments in lieu of taxes is when one level of government pay another for the use of land. Government land isn't taxed so the payments help offset the lost property taxes.

Personally I think the state should pay a community when they move in something like a prison.

The problem is nobody wants it.
One of the proposed sites is within a couple miles of my house. There are a minimum of 5 elementary schools within 5 miles of it. We are fighting very hard to keep it out of here.
I don't think this site will be picked, but we definitely don't want it.

 

[babe]

prion reloc?

Here I thought we had a top genaricist cracking the cause of aging and stupidity, promising eternal life and intelligence.

Oh well..

of course our government has to serve landholders both in selling prime real estate and in buying swamps [SUP]perfectly suited for prisons.

Everybody will make millions at our expense.

Our prisons should be next to Temple Square. The LDS Church should donate a block or two, and the complex should be adorned with a motto. . .:

Repentance and Rehabilitation are a good way for Church and State to serve the People.


our goal is Zero Population on this block.


Moe, I wish this wasn't hyperbole.i

if we're really going to warehouse humans on a mega scale, we should at least do it in plain sight.

 

[MVP]

damn, I was hoping to read about about mad cow disease...:/ Tempting to neg.

 

[The Thriller]

This is the problem when you load up a legislature full of land developers (governor Herbert, Speaker Neiderhouser of the senate, speaker Hughes of the house, and rep Ivory who is really pushing this) and a populace which votes republican nomatter what. They know they can screw us over and face no consequence. This is the #1 issue with our country. Government leaders and friends get to privatize the profits... And socialize the costs.

The state is going to sell that land off dirt cheap to land developers. They are going to make a killing!
And charge us to build their infrastructure and tax handouts to attract more crappy malls, outlets, and office buildings.
Oh yeah, and we must pay to destroy and rebuild a new prison which has the estimated cost of $1 billion (and we all know it's going to be far more than that when everything is said and done).

Why people aren't up in arms demanding we get rid of lobbyists and campaign donations is beyond me. We need such strict campaign finance reform. The biggest lie we have today is government over regulation of business. In reality, it's business over regulating government.

 

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This is the problem when you load up a legislature full of land developers (governor Herbert, Speaker Neiderhouser of the senate, speaker Hughes of the house, and rep Ivory who is really pushing this) and a populace which votes republican nomatter what. They know they can screw us over and face no consequence. This is the #1 issue with our country. Government leaders and friends get to privatize the profits... And socialize the costs.

The state is going to sell that land off dirt cheap to land developers. They are going to make a killing!
And charge us to build their infrastructure and tax handouts to attract more crappy malls, outlets, and office buildings.
Oh yeah, and we must pay to destroy and rebuild a new prison which has the estimated cost of $1 billion (and we all know it's going to be far more than that when everything is said and done).

Why people aren't up in arms demanding we get rid of lobbyists and campaign donations is beyond me. We need such strict campaign finance reform. The biggest lie we have today is government over regulation of business. In reality, it's business over regulating government.

Congratulations. You gave the typical liberal NIMBY response. These things should only get built in Tooele where people are actually willing to work for a living unlike lazy state employees teachers.

I lived 1 block from the local jailhouse. Should we send every city jailhouse out to Tooele too? Fact is you are safer living next to prison than you are 5 miles away from due to patrols and heightened security. are

 

[babe]

Congratulations. You gave the typical liberal NIMBY response. These things should only get built in Tooele where people are actually willing to work for a living unlike lazy state employees teachers.

I lived 1 block from the local jailhouse. Should we send every city jailhouse out to Tooele too? Fact is you are safer living next to prison than you are 5 miles away from due to patrols and heightened security. are

fair enough. I respect the whole NIMBY response to all government. The Data Center down to the localmost jail. Zero Government being the ideal asymptote. If only we could.

 

[♪alt13]

Update
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https://www.ksl.com/?sid=35925156&nid=148&title=salt-lake-reviewing-legal-options-to-stop-prison-relocation

Mayor Ralph Becker said Salt Lake City will be reviewing its legal options now that the Legislature's Prison Relocation Commission has recommended moving the Utah State Prison to Utah's capital city.

"We … are troubled to learn that Salt Lake City was chosen today as the recommended location," Becker said during a news conference Tuesday at the site of the proposed prison. "We have been vocal and consistent in our opposition in as elected officials and as a community."

 

[Miggs]

Why does the prison need to be relocated?

 

[♪alt13]

Why does the prison need to be relocated?

Developers want the land it currently sits on.

 

[Nate505]

Developers want the land it currently sits on.

Huh...private developers? Is it state land? If so, why isn't the state telling the developers to go f themselves.

I'm sure they promised the state it would be a great economic benefit to move...how about they foot the bill for the move, and then they can make all that money back with how much money they'll be rolling in with.

 

[♪alt13]

Huh...private developers? Is it state land? If so, why isn't the state telling the developers to go f themselves.

I'm sure they promised the state it would be a great economic benefit to move...how about they pay the state the difference if the economic benefit turns out to be less than the cost of moving.

You are confused about how Utah politics works. Utah will foot the bill for the move. Utah will sell the land for pennies on the dollar. Developers will get a tax incentive to develop that property. Politicians will get reelected.

 

[♪alt13]

Personally I would like to see them tear down the prison and make Gunnison the main prison without expanding it. Pay county jails to house low level prisoners, and send the junkies to rehab.

Problem is nobody gets to build a new prison if we do that.

 

[LogGrad98]

Stick it above the border in America Jr. Canadia.

 

[♪alt13]

I found this from 2011. The new prison would be built within this property. This seems like what should be happening out there, not the prison. If they move it to SLC won't we run into the same issue of the prison being in the way of development within a decade or two?

 

[Dr. Jones]

One of my top tier investors own the land all around it.
Yeah

 

[♪alt13]

One of my top tier investors own the land all around it.
Yeah

So you're saying he's stoked about the prison

 

[Gameface]

Why does the prison need to be relocated?

The location of the current prison is right at the southern end of the Salt Lake Valley where it meets Utah County. The area used to be pretty unpopulated with mostly horse property and such out there. But as urban sprawl out of both Utah County and Salt Lake County comes together there having a prison in that location isn't very desirable. Not to mention the cities that used to be made up of horse property are now home to most of our McMansions. Then on the Utah County side there are some of the most upper class neighborhoods just there and Adobe built a headquarters and IMFlash has their headquarters around there and they are hoping the area where the prison is now becomes Utah's high tech corridor.

The location of the prison is Point of the Mountain. Geographically both the Oquirrh mountains and the Wasatch mountains trail off to a point with a relatively small opening that joins Utah and Salt Lake Valleys. The prison is typically referred to as point of the mountain, as in "So I hear your brother is doing another stint up at the point of the mountain..." Or sometimes people will just call it "the point."

 

[♪alt13]

The location of the current prison is right at the southern end of the Salt Lake Valley where it meets Utah County. The area used to be pretty unpopulated with mostly horse property and such out there. But as urban sprawl out of both Utah County and Salt Lake County comes together there having a prison in that location isn't very desirable. Not to mention the cities that used to be made up of horse property are now home to most of our McMansions. Then on the Utah County side there are some of the most upper class neighborhoods just there and Adobe built a headquarters and IMFlash has their headquarters around there and they are hoping the area where the prison is now becomes Utah's high tech corridor.

The location of the prison is Point of the Mountain. Geographically both the Oquirrh mountains and the Wasatch mountains trail off to a point with a relatively small opening that joins Utah and Salt Lake Valleys. The prison is typically referred to as point of the mountain, as in "So I hear your brother is doing another stint up at the point of the mountain..." Or sometimes people will just call it "the point."

I gotta disagree with ya there. I've worked in every neighborhood along the Wasatch front(and back) there are some nice houses in that area but it's far from "home to most of our McMansions". East Sandy, Walker Lane, North Avenues, Federal Heights, East Park City, Alpine, etc all smoke west Draper in the Mcmansion department. Most of them folk want to be up on a hill not down in a valley next to I-15. Honestly most of the houses down there don't qualify as McMansions. There is a couple gated communities but the houses aren't that large.