Yes, that is true. How does that help you separate out "preserve their culture, national identity/ideology" from "preserve a white power structure"?
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Yes, that is true. How does that help you separate out "preserve their culture, national identity/ideology" from "preserve a white power structure"?
Would we agree that they are based on religious prejudice, instead?
Who says don't burn wood? If anything, that would be carbon-neutral.
This is what I said:
So, by "rise", do you mean increase in numbers (I agree there has been none) or increase in openness of public positioning (whichI think there has been)?
Hotdog
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Dont expect the left to acknowledge this. They only want to focus on the negative, and only the negative from white Christian Americans. They conveniently leave out all the positive things that have come from the West, Christians, Americans, white people, Men.
America participated in slavery, but America also defeated it. America has done more good for the world than all the countries combined. Couple that with the fact that more atrocities have been committed on humanity in every other single country.
Yet, here we are discussing just how bad America and white people are.
idestroyedthetoilet
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Back off dude. My economic scorecard has nothing to do with my personal opinion of the guy, and putting words in my mouth and incorrectly using a generalization I said as an example doesn't strengthen the good point you were making.
Trump doesn't deserve praise for pumping deficit spending into an expanding economy. Anyone can do that in a non-deflationary and get a short term GDP bump.
JazzyFresh
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I'm just saying there's a lot more to white culture than "white power". There is a lot of dark ****, but there is also a lot that people can be proud of.
idestroyedthetoilet
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1. I havent given that any thought. It will suffice to agree wanting to preserve does not always and everywhere equal racism.
2. That's beside the point in that example but people who don't want to breathe the byproducts of incomplete and inefficient combustion.
3. You are saying that and I don't see it. Do you have any evidence of it or is it all anecdotal? I can be convinced pretty easily but for now my anecdotal experience says otherwise.
Mission Accomplished
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What are the parts of white culture that you feel are under attack?
I absolutely agree there are fears involved that don't come from racism.
Well, I thought the point was defending themselves from the diminution of culture, as opposed to being inconsiderate to neighbors. I agree it's a side issue.
The "Unite the Right" rally in Charlottesville had openly white nationalist participants. The Proud Boys start in/near 2014. Again, I'm not saying these represent increases in the overall rate of white nationalist beliefs, just an increase in their willingness to be open about it.
However, my memory is not that great. If you remember openly racist groups participating in the tea parties, or rallying under Bush 43, perhaps I'm wrong.
Edited: Added an intended "not"
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idestroyedthetoilet
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You may be right but I dont see it as more presence of this tiny fringe than before. We rounded up something like 2,000 of them for conspiracy and other charges after Timothy McVeigh. Maybe that caused a 10-15 year reduction in open marches.
"whitenationalism has become more acceptable as a public position"
This is what I I disagreed with so thank you for clarifying what you meant.
I'll use your source, marketwatch: "The best first two years in office (regardless of term) for a president since Obama from 2013 - 2015"
Why did you cherry pick the first year? Maybe this, from the same source, Trump's second year stocks down 5.2%:
