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Douchebag K said:
absolutely And i can't see them getting anywhere near the same return they paid for him
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He may not demand a trade but he can soft demand it by saying “I won’t sign an extension with you but here are a few teams I would sign an extension with”.

I think they get 50-60 cents on the dollar for what they paid (consider Lauri a non all star not the leveled up version).
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
He may not demand a trade but he can soft demand it by saying “I won’t sign an extension with you but here are a few teams I would sign an extension with”.

I think they get 50-60 cents on the dollar for what they paid (consider Lauri a non all star not the leveled up version).
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spot on fingers crossed if that happens the Cavs take a massive step back, have a disastrous year next year and get us a lottery pick ! One can dream
 
jom2003 said:
Well the hypothetical just became a reality, didn't it? A Rudy-less Wolves just held the defending champ to 80 pts in a playoff game. A healthy Jazz team were letting non-playoff team like the Rockets drop 80 on us...at the half.

We were the worst defensive team in the entire league. Not sure having Rudy on the team would make enough of a difference.
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Lol. The FO has skinned the roster twice and we have had little continuity, so picking a single bad game from current timeline doesnt really tell anything about an alternate hypothetical timeline.

Kessler looked damn good in that 2022-23 roster, so we should assume Rudy would have elevated us by quite a lot. That is why @LogGrad98 said what he said.. and I merely pointed out that we still would have needed the true #1.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Yep. Rudy didn't need "shooters", he needed decent positional defenders who could do one other thing well. And a star who didn't show utter disdain for any defense at all. ANT isn't some defensive stalwart but he's no slouch either. We surrounded Rudy with defensively-inept players who could do one single thing well. We had one guy that had more than 1 talent and that was and undersized defender we expected to lock down the leagues best players in Royce. It just wasn't anywhere near the right mix. Add into that the fact that we were severely undersized in everything except center and it was a recipe for early playoff outs when the game slowed down and careful game planning will open any crack into a crevasse.
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ANT is playing pretty awesome defense in key, game-planned situations. The difference between him and Mitchell looks pretty ****ing enormous on that side of the ball… to me at least.
 
NAOS_pt2 said:
ANT is playing pretty awesome defense in key, game-planned situations. The difference between him and Mitchell looks pretty ****ing enormous on that side of the ball… to me at least.
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Frankly the difference is shocking. ANT is truly on another level from Mitchell right now. Mitchell is a solid 2nd tier all-star. ANT right now is looking like an MVP candidate. Put this version of ANT on our past teams in place of Mitchell and there is a good chance we have at least one ring at this point.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
He may not demand a trade but he can soft demand it by saying “I won’t sign an extension with you but here are a few teams I would sign an extension with”.

I think they get 50-60 cents on the dollar for what they paid (consider Lauri a non all star not the leveled up version).
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I guess they still might be able to get between 2 to 3 picks (light to no protections), no swaps, some quality young piece (like a Jaime Jaquez Jr or Reaves) and/or some decent role player (that also pending on what they get in picks and young players)
 
HermanG said:
And Minny doesnt have Lauri, Sexton, JC, Tech or KO. All of whom are good players and all of whom we could have had with Mike and Rudy. Plus we had NAW who would have seen the court (along with Tech) without the Gobert trade bringing in Beasley, Vando and THT (via Pat Bev).
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Stop it, sir.
 
Mitchell isn't extending. But if he did Cavs should definitely trade Garland. The only reason they didn't last year is because they know Mitchell is leaving.
 
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