Racist warriors fans

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  1. LoPo

    LoPo Well-Known Member

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    Just my opinion...

    The penalty was too harsh. Yes, he shoved him. But that shove could do absolutely zero damage. It was classless and unnecessary, but not worthy of the fine AND ban this postseason AND ban ALL of next season.

    I think he should been fined by the NBA, banned for this postseason, banned for any Raptors or Kyle Lowry team for next year, and he should have had to make a donation to Lowry's foundation. If he didn't apologize publicly, he should also be banned for all of next year.

    The penalty does nothing productive. It's all punitive. They should have found a way to turn into something positive instead of just hammering a guy who made a mistake in a very bang bang scenario.

    Players punch, shove, push, kick, trip, cuss, throw tantrums during games and they aren't banned sometimes at all. An owner got caught up in the moment when a player literally jumps on his lady friend's lap full speed.

    A little too harsh in my opinion.

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  2. The Thriller

    The Thriller Well-Known Member

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    I disagree, why would the fan be angry over the player playing the game? Do fans get angry over foul balls?

    It’s pretty simple, don’t want the risk of having a player running into you by going after a loose ball? Don’t get court side seats. Literally sit anywhere in the arena and you’ll never have this problem.
     
  3. yamers

    yamers Well-Known Member

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    You sound a bit counter what you stand for.
     
  4. infection

    infection Well-Known Member Staff Member 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    And then the dude could get hit with a $500k fine from the league for tampering.
     
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  5. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    Players get angry over players playing the game all the time.
    So do fans by the way.

    I don't know if you have ever been to a game but there are lots of emotions from the players and coaches involved in the game and from the fans watching.

    Some fans even get angry at the players playing the game while watching at home. They might break their remote or TV or do some looting and arson. And these are fans that didn't even have anyone plow into them.

    Some fans even get angry just talking about the players playing the game on message boards and in social media.

    People get angry all the time over all kinds of stuff.


    I once was at a bees game and a fan got hit in the face by a foul ball and was bleeding profusely and had to be removed, I assume to go to the hospital, and that fans husband or boyfriend seemed pretty upset.
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  6. Stoked

    Stoked Well-Known Member Contributor 2018 Award Winner

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    I have a friend that gets so emotionally tied up in Jazz games that his wife now makes him DVR the games and he can only go back and watch the ones where the Jazz win.

    Him throwing the remote one game after the Jazz blew a lead late in a game was the last straw for her. Guess she didn’t like getting accidentally hit with it lol.
     
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  7. The Thriller

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    Sigh
     
  8. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    You asked a question.
    Why would a fan get mad over players playing the game?
    I answered. You might not understand why players, coaches, and fans get upset over something as silly as players playing a game (I don't understand it either) but it's a fact that fans are emotional about this game that players play.

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  9. The Thriller

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    Certainly you don’t believe that players and fans have anywhere near the investment made into the game and therefore have equal the emotional attachment which equates to being held to the same standard, right?

    Players who behave poorly absolutely should be punished. I don’t excuse players like Hood who break phones. However, I absolutely understand why Westbrook might react negatively after a hotly contested playoff game to a fan clearly trying to provoke a reaction.

    Fans? I’ve made it clear my stance on the poor behavior on fans throughout this thread. If you haven’t read my posts, then my summary is that the nba would be better served toning down the fan interaction in games. The whole “6th man” mentality is a detriment to the game as it encourages fans to become too involved and behave poorly imo. The nba would be better served by:

    1. Players: Leveling severe penalties (suspensions, not fines) to nba players who behave poorly. I’d love for far more technicals to be handed out to players. Far more. I’m sick and tired of players whining to refs nonstop. Green and cp3 talk to the refs 100x more than their own teammates. That shouldn’t be. Our very own Jingles even puts his arms over refs to talk to them. That should be a tech imo.

    Should players be held to the same standard as fans? No. When a player fresh off a tough loss is coming off the court, leave them alone. If they react, they should receive a strong punishment, but nothing like what a fan should receive. Players invest thousands of hours perfecting their trade. Fans? Show up and drink too much. Maybe buy a uniform. No where near the same investment. A fan shoving Lowry when he crashed into court side seats for a loose ball makes as much sense as me going after Shamu the Whale after my wife getting splashed in the splash zone. Would anyone excuse my behavior as being “invested” into Seaworld and reacting to protect my wife?

    2. Fans: Fans who behave poorly absolutely should be publicly embarrassed and banned from games. I loved what the jazz did to racist *******. We lose nothing by him not attending. No one pays money to hear him taunt Westbrook.

    3. Less interaction overall: Move fans and media away from the court. Imo we have too much player/fan interaction. Want to rid the possibility of this incident repeating, why not move the court-side seats? Do we really need 100 cameramen on the court? Get rid of the “wired up” and interviews with coaches between quarters nonsense. Frankly, I’m tired of Drake’s antics. Move his *** several feet away, off the court.

    Summary: Lastly, fan behavior is appalling at most athletic events these days. It’s indicative of our lazy and slobbish culture. People go to school in pajamas, put their feet on seats in movie theaters, and take off their shoes on airplanes because of “comfort.” They feel like a ticket entitles them to dirty and destroy whatever they want. Fans today believe that a ticket entitles them to do and say anything they want in an arena. Overall, we need to change the way we dress and behave. We’ve swung too far one way.
     
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  10. fishonjazz

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    You asked why a fan would be angry. Well it's because they are fans. They are overly emotional about a game. This is rather obvious.

    Now add in the fact that a fans friend or girlfriend or wife gets drilled hard and you can't understand why a person might get upset in the moment? If not then you might be an idiot

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  11. Lakers_Slapper

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    Are you serious?? You don't remember any player off the top of your head going hard into the crowd to save the ball? By any chance, did you just start watching basketball and are you paying attention? The last 10 years players haven't dove into the stands as much as they used to in previous years, but they always have and this has always been apart of the game. Your argument is for more protection of the fans sitting court-side? Know what you paid for and accept it! Your a sensitive marshmallow of today's generation and one of the problems. You defend racism, but stand up for a woman that was sitting in a +$20,000 courtside seat and experienced a player that sacrificed his body for a possession, to help his team win. Your focused on Lowry's shoulder going into the face of a woman while he's diving for the ball during a playoff game? You claim that you've never seen that before "off the top of your head", and your comment suggests that Lowry did that on purpose! You obviously need to watch a lot more basketball, green pea. Just you even thinking, that while Lowry was diving for the ball, he decided in mid-air to lower his shoulder and try to injure a woman in the stands on purpose and deserved to get pushed by someone sitting court-side, is ridiculous. Yes it was "risky as ****". That's whats makes it good basketball. You haven't seen this before, and you said it yourself. Perhaps you should comment and join a thread of which you are more versed at like cupcake making. You are obviously disgusted with the way a black man dove into a white woman during the course of a game, so much to say he deserved the retaliation he got.
    This is the playoffs and a MAN'S game. You shouldn't watch.
     
  12. Lakers_Slapper

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    If your girlfriend gets drilled courtside and you really are pissed off and want to defend her but your only form of defense is a weak-a** shove off like the one that Mark Stevens gave to Lowry. Would you really call that a form of self defense?? That's what were going with huh? Stevens is a hero for defending his wife who got plummeted, so he shoved Lowry with the force of 9 year old girl? That's it? I guess if you were defending your girlfriend, wife, or whatever, that weak childish shove is acceptable in some eyes. What a hero he was, he really defended her honor with that shove. If that's what were going with and your girlfriend was wondering why you didn't defend her and you showed her that video clip, and she's really changing her mind and calling you a man, than we have a completely different problem to discuss. Are you really looking at this video clip and thinking Stevens was not only playing the part of a tough guy, but doing a fine job at it? I personally don't push like a girl when defending loved ones, but that's just me. I see this clip and see Stevens pushing him and talking mess to Lowry and I praise Lowry for not punching his lights out. Not to mention, Stevens admitted that he was wrong for what he did. Why are people defending a guy who admitted he made a mistake? He said he was wrong, but people on this post are like, "naw it was Lowry"? The guy in question said he was in the wrong.
     
  13. Lakers_Slapper

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    Your friend is lacking in the maturity aspect of life and has also gave up his control and balls in his relationship. He gets so mad that he throws a remote when the Jazz blow a lead? God bless his wife who stepped in and made him record the games. I would rather die than have my balls in my wife's purse. He really needs to gain control of his manhood.
     
  14. Douchebag K

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    This was nothing to do with a fan getting carried away defending his lady friend or being carried away emotionally. This is simply the standard, the precedent being set. You CANNOT touch a player for any reason. Black and white, there is no grey area. If you sit courtside there is a chance you might get whacked in the face with a ball or a player dive to save a ball. Potential price you pay sitting so close to an amazing sporting spectacle.

    Whether it was a gentle shove, a hard push, a kick in the teeth is irrelevant. This is 100% the principle involved. This jerk nor any fan has a legitimate excuse to ever put a hand on a player
     
  15. Gameface

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    Who do you think you are, exactly?

    I smell 15 year old all over you. Are you an adult? You don't post the things grown-up people post.
     
  16. Lakers_Slapper

    Lakers_Slapper Well-Known Member

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    At my age, I've forgotten more than you'll ever learn. I don't need to explain to you who I am, or back up my adult-hood. If your smelling a 15 year old, it's got to be your own breath blowing back in your face. You should wash your face, or at least your upper lip after run-ins with your cousin.
     
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  18. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    I never said what he did was right or was defending him. I simply said it’s normal and common for a fan to be angry


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  19. Stoked

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    Lmfao. You try way to hard.
     
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  20. str8line

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    Including the difference between your and you're. I know teenage years can be rough, but you should have stayed in school.
     
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