Radical islamists killing atheists now..

[Stoked]

the relgious texts of the Islamic faith have not changed for more than a thousand years. Why is it only　now that the faith seems to be more extreme in its handling of citizens of other faiths, than other faiths?

Answer: Islam is practiced in some of the most economically, socially, and poltiically desolate regions of the world. If it wasnt religion that was used as the fuel to the power-hungry, it would be nationalism (or another proven method of rallying support).


These extremists are Muslim. I would never say they arent. However, it is their environment that is causing their actions-- not their faith. Too many people fail to understand the nuance of this. If everyone converted to Christianity tomorrow night, but the economic conditions didnt change, things would not change.



Buddhism is a pacifistic faith, no? Then why are there macabre Buddhist monks in Myanmar killing Muslims by the thousands?

Answer: their societal backdrop.

Are there adherents of other faiths killing in the name of their religion?? of course there are. Budhism, Christianity...I am sure examples of each can be found. But Islam, unfortunately, exceeds them all.

Are some of these regions "the most economically, socially, and poltiically desolate regions of the world"? Sure. But part of that is their own doing. When they throw acid on girls going to school, car bomb their own cities and markets, light their own oil fields on fire...

Yes there is way to much foreign military involvement in these areas and those countries, even my own good'ole America, shares part of the blame. But so do these groups that want there domains to remain in the stone age. And do whatever is necessary to ensure that.

I look forward to the day when the Muslim world says enough and we see the true leaders of the Muslim face lead a revolt of 10s of millions and throws this disease down and usher in the Muslim world to the modern era. Humanity needs it.

I think we are starting to see the fight for that coming up. Govs and people are starting to take notice and get involved. Iran, Saudi, Turkey, Jordan...

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

the relgious texts of the Islamic faith have not changed for more than a thousand years. Why is it only　now that the faith seems to be more extreme in its handling of citizens of other faiths, than other faiths?

Answer: Islam is practiced in some of the most economically, socially, and poltiically desolate regions of the world. If it wasnt religion that was used as the fuel to the power-hungry, it would be nationalism (or another proven method of rallying support).


These extremists are Muslim. I would never say they arent. However, it is their environment that is causing their actions-- not their faith. Too many people fail to understand the nuance of this. If everyone converted to Christianity tomorrow night, but the economic conditions didnt change, things would not change.



Buddhism is a pacifistic faith, no? Then why are there macabre Buddhist monks in Myanmar killing Muslims by the thousands?

Answer: their societal backdrop.

There are large Christian, Hindu and Buddhist populations who live in poverty. How come none of those populations are striking out violently in the way the Muslim populations are? How come well funded Islamists are financing terrorism? I do not doubt that poverty plays a role, but this is being fueled by more than poverty.

 

[Siro]

I don't understand the stance that <blank> doesn't have to be violent. So what? It is what it is. At best, one must accept that it is a failed ideology and move on. Surely the creator of the universe could have done better!

 

[fishonjazz]

Islam is practiced in some of the most economically, socially, and poltiically desolate regions of the world.

Is this coincidence?

 

[fishonjazz]

Are some of these regions "the most economically, socially, and poltiically desolate regions of the world"? Sure. But part of that is their own doing. When they throw acid on girls going to school, car bomb their own cities and markets, light their own oil fields on fire...

This

 

[Deleted member 848]

Is this coincidence?

continue with your point-- do you think that the religion only appeals to those in these conditions?

 

[Deleted member 848]

You're missing my point. Take an extra second to read what I'm saying:

Are there adherents of other faiths killing in the name of their religion?? of course there are. Budhism, Christianity

Umm yes. Historically,　Christianity far outnumbers Islam. No contest. Not even close. For 13 ｏｆ their 14 shared centuries, killings in the name of Christianity > Islam. So what changed? These are the inconvenient truths we need to come to terms with. These are the complex questions we need to ask.

...I am sure examples of each can be found. But Islam, unfortunately, exceeds them all.

Which, again, has only been the case in the past 100 years at best. Again, I ask: what changed?

Are some of these regions "the most economically, socially, and politically desolate regions of the world"? Sure. But part of that is their own doing.

And part of it is America's doing, or the doing of other colonial powers. Another inconvenient truth that many ignore. You paying attention to Yemen right now?

When they throw acid on girls going to school, car bomb their own cities and markets, light their own oil fields on fire...

And despite these atrocities, America continues to provide unquestioned support and assistance and friendly relations with the main contributors of these activities: Saudi. Another inconvenient truth.

Yes there is way to much foreign military involvement in these areas and those countries, even my own good'ole America, shares part of the blame. But so do these groups that want there domains to remain in the stone age. And do whatever is necessary to ensure that.

How on earth will these despots ever be usurped when nearly every developed nation continues to provide so much support for the sake of their continued existence? Is there any timeline for Saudi Arabia becomign democratic at any point? Has the US ever given a **** to reform Saudi? Questions that make you go HMMMMMmmmmm.

I look forward to the day when the Muslim world says enough and we see the true leaders of the Muslim face lead a revolt of 10s of millions and throws this disease down and usher in the Muslim world to the modern era. Humanity needs it.

The Muslim leaders have it way too good right now-- and they have all of the support of basically the rest of the world. Their only hope is the collapse of oil.

I think we are starting to see the fight for that coming up. Govs and people are starting to take notice and get involved. Iran, Saudi, Turkey, Jordan...

I think its coming too. But things could really be expedited.

 

[Deleted member 848]

There are large Christian, Hindu and Buddhist populations who live in poverty. How come none of those populations are striking out violently in the way the Muslim populations are?

please provide a list of these violence-free regions of economic and social desolation. I'll patiently wait.

How come well funded Islamists are financing terrorism? I do not doubt that poverty plays a role, but this is being fueled by more than poverty.

Because that has been their giving rallying call. Every nation has a different one. A different enemy. For Myanmar, its the Muslims-- and you clearly dont understand how violent it is.

They have conjured their enemies as being Israel and America at first-- and now its every non-Muslim, or every non-Sunni. Terrorism is easy due to their access to firearms. Their access to firearms? Better talk to America and Russia about that one

 

[Deleted member 848]

I don't understand the stance that <blank> doesn't have to be violent. So what? It is what it is. At best, one must accept that it is a failed ideology and move on. Surely the creator of the universe could have done better!

at best, we need to treat the illness, and not provide a band-aid. This violence will continue even if the Islamic faith is eradicated tomorrow. That's why -- shocker -- grotesque violence happens even among non-Muslims! Crazy thought.

 

[fishonjazz]

continue with your point-- do you think that the religion only appeals to those in these conditions?

Don't you think that if you blow up your own buildings, throw acid on girls for going to school, not allow your women any rights, and use such strict rules that don't allow for any outside the box thinking or creativity all in the name of religion that maybe it might have an affect on the poor living conditions you find yourself in?

 

[DutchJazzer]

Don't you think that if you blow up your own buildings, throw acid on girls for going to school, not allow your women any rights, and use such strict rules that don't allow for any outside the box thinking or creativity all in the name of religion that maybe it might have an affect on the poor living conditions you find yourself in?

hmm hillary clinton would say that describes Republicans to a T except the acid part.
but then again hillary is a lying lady(would use other words except ladies, but they might by racially insensitive, or sexist)

 

[Stoked]

at best, we need to treat the illness, and not provide a band-aid. This violence will continue even if the Islamic faith is eradicated tomorrow. That's why -- shocker -- grotesque violence happens even among non-Muslims! Crazy thought.

You are arguing something no one is saying. Seems like you ar eperhaps overly sensitive to this issue. I would be.

Of course there are other factors like economics, outside interferience...

But at some point you also have to look at the Muslims themselves in this region. You have an extreme minority being proped up by failed policies and direct interferience from Muslim regiemes. Iran, Syria, Hamas, Saudi Arabia, Hezbollah, ISIS, Al Qaeda... (I've already stated that foreign nations are doing so as well and shouldn't be. Especially America)

Also no one was arguing historical killings in the name of religion. Christianity has mountains of blood on its hands historically. But so does Islam historically. This was about in todays world. And Islam far exceeds anything else.

Things, IMO, will not change until the failed policies of the rulers change. When they educate their populace, invest more in improving their citizens lives and opportunities. Health care, education, agriculture, housing, equal rights for females, jobs...

It is coming and the world will be better for it.

Keep in mind that I firmly believe that the vast majortiy of muslims are good people. They are just beset by bad conditions, slefish leaders, outside itnerference and radicals.