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Radical islamists killing atheists now..

dalamon said:
YOu have simply got to love how much the US condemns Iran, and speaks publically regarding its inhumanity-- yet they stay mum in terms fo voicing displeasure with a country that is quite honestly far, far worse. I would MUCH rather live in Iran than Saudi. 100 times over. Even as a non-Muslim.
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While I agree with you, I don't see how the US is to blame. The Saudi people are often more radical than their government. They have been a radicalizing force since before the US started interfering with the region.
 
Siro said:
While I agree with you, I don't see how the US is to blame. The Saudi people are often more radical than their government. They have been a radicalizing force since before the US started interfering with the region.
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and then you'd have colonialism before then. But still, in today's age, the disadvantages of Saudi despotism should be very obvious to their populace. Why havent they progressed? What is holding them back? How have they become so powerful? What role has the US played in them maintaining their power?

How in the ****ing world is anyone in Saudi supposed to wage a political revolt? There probably isnt a single other country in the world where this would be less successful. Is some of the blood on America's hands? Answer is, frankly, yes. A lot of it.
 
Saudi's shahs are insurmountable. The US likes it that way, it's quite obvious. Yemeni people are being killed with US weapons, by Saudi.


NO ONE gives a ****.
 
dalamon said:
I'm not wrong. Read a book. Nothing Islam has ever done will ever compare to the Spanish Inquisition, really. Aside from maybe this recent ISIS problem if it continues to permanence.
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ISIS has already claimed more than twice as many victims as the Spanish Inquisition. By the time this is over, it will be FAR FAR worse. And I'm not counting the hundreds of thousands of people they displaced, which is comparable to Spain's entire population of the time.
 
dalamon said:
Very unclear, and not concise
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I don't understand the question.
Are your asking me if I think that the Muslim religion is only appealing to, or practiced in poor places?

If so, that is an incredibly dumb question.

There are muslims all over the place so of course not. I don't see how that matters.

Do you think that the the way the muslim religion is practiced by people in the middle east helps to advance those countries and bring them out of the poverty, turmoil, and predicaments they find themselves in?
 
dalamon said:
and then you'd have colonialism before then. But still, in today's age, the disadvantages of Saudi despotism should be very obvious to their populace. Why havent they progressed? What is holding them back? How have they become so powerful? What role has the US played in them maintaining their power?

How in the ****ing world is anyone in Saudi supposed to wage a political revolt? There probably isnt a single other country in the world where this would be less successful. Is some of the blood on America's hands? Answer is, frankly, yes. A lot of it.
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Like I said, there is no serious movement toward reform within the Saudi populace. Large percentage of them are are in support of current Islamist movement, and many of them risk their lives to support terror groups. And they were never colonized by Europe, which is a vapid excuse anyway. Everyone was colonized at one point or another, and yet, terror comes from a specific group of people.
 
fishonjazz said:
I don't understand the question.
Are your asking me if I think that the Muslim religion is only appealing to, or practiced in poor places?

If so, that is an incredibly dumb question.

There are muslims all over the place so of course not. I don't see how that matters.

Do you think that the the way the muslim religion is practiced by people in the middle east helps to advance those countries and bring them out of the poverty, turmoil, and predicaments they find themselves in?
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Of course not! But I think that the way those regions practice their Islam is reflective of the environment that they were born and raised in. THAT's what I'm getting at. There are Muslims everywhere, and through history, that have practiced their faith peacefully, personally, and have not stepped on the rights of others. This is because they live in socially, politically, and/or economically prosperous areas. This USED to be the Middle East centuries ago, which is why no other region on Earth was kinder to religious minorities.

Of course my interpretation of Islam doesnt encompass terrorism. Neither do the strong, strong majority of Muslims. Those that do, do so due to very intricate, nuanced sociopolitical factors. Think Iraq. Think Palestine. These are the conversations that need to be had. What are the societal factors leading to terrorism? Blaming it on the faith gets us NO where.
 
Siro said:
ISIS has already claimed more than twice as many victims as the Spanish Inquisition. By the time this is over, it will be FAR FAR worse. And I'm not counting the hundreds of thousands of people they displaced, which is comparable to Spain's entire population of the time.
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Yes, but how many of them are religious minorities? Inquisition was waged specifically against religious minorities-- and it was permanent. Still exceeds ISIS on those two fronts.
 
I don't think anyone is saying that all Muslims are bad or that the Muslim religion as a whole is bad.

I thought the thread title says right in it "radical islamists" so I figured that is what we are discussing.
 
Siro said:
Like I said, there is no serious movement toward reform within the Saudi populace. Large percentage of them are are in support of current Islamist movement, and many of them risk their lives to support terror groups.
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Well no **** they're supportive. Do they have a choice? Vast majority of North Korea is supportive of their communist regime. Those who risk their lives do so for the sake of personal interests. Again, this support will dwindle once the region is prevented from being flooded with Oil money
 
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