If Rudy won't re-sign in Charlotte, the Hornets won't make that deal. Even if he will re-sign with them, I'm not sure it fits their development timeline.
Re-Tool Younger Trade Idea
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JazzyBelle
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Could Giannis move needle to make jazz serious contenders and would he want to play here. Not many nba cities compared to SLC looked down upon but Milwaukee is one of the few
JazzyBelle
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He doesn't fit their timeline
JazzyBelle
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Clearing space for Wood is headscratching because he is a guy who can be found or developed. There is always athletic,limited offensive players in every draft
MCarter
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Good insight. Not ready to completely agree but I respect the take
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Not all of them are the size of Anthony Davis and actually develop like Wood. He’s very good.
LoPo
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Charlotte last summer sign and traded for 26 year old Rozier. There were reports they wanted Randle this offseason. Rudy, at 28, fits a timeline with Rozier and Randle. Graham was an unexpected gem who fits as well.
I agree that Charlotte doesn't do the trade if Rudy won't commit long term. However, I have already said I dont think many teams are out there willing to give Rudy $30+. If Charlotte says they will, they'll have Rudy.
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I wonder why Lopo is so obsessed with age?
Why the **** does a team have to have players who are all the same age? Has a team ever won a championship like that? Most champions are mixes of youth and vets. You need guys who are in their physical primes and guys who are mentally experienced and know how to handle situations and arent as worried about looking like a star to get their first big deal.
One Brow
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I keep forgetting. 29 is gravy, 30 is dog dung. Got it.
Jazz in 0 way need to get younger or older. Age should be irrelevant in deciding who they want to add. Get the best players NOW who are athletic and can play D, point blank period.
He;s not that good.
I would be on him coming back down to Earth and just looking average this year.
Lakers are a year older. They are still very good but if the Jazz can add some length and shooting off the bench.
Clippers are older too. Jazz play well against them historically. Again improved bench and Jazz can beat these guys.
Nuggets - come on Jazz blew the series because of their weak beach. They did not have Bogie and were only 1.5 games behind in the standing before the bubble.
Warriors - I agree they will be back and if they get a stud at #2 then they could be tough but not unbeatable. Will Klay Thompson be the same player.
Rockets - are a bad matchup for us but again they looked horrible against the Lakers and there were more infighting with them. They might blow up the team again.
Mavericks- are good but they are not better than the Jazz and if the Jazz improve their bench. I am not afraid of them. I respect their team but I am not afraid of them.
The Jury is still out on the bottom feeders. New Orleans is a team to watch and so is Memphis but both have issues too and haven't proven anything.
The Jazz need to improve their bench. Not slightly but substantially. They need to get more athletic and get Bogey back for his scoring. I think if they can get two solid bench players and improve either the SF/PF starter position, they can compete with anyone.
LoPo
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I wish you actually used your brain.
The idea is based on getting a number of young guys hoping that a couple can emerge as really good players. You know, the same exact thing every team does during the draft?
I dont care if they are all 22 or 25. However, I do worry about a team that relies heavily on 30+ aged players. After next season, that's us without change (Rudy, Conley, Clarkson, Bojan, Joe).
The Lakers are old, but they rely on 27 year old AD and young Kuzma as top 5 rotation guys. Also, LBJ is a freak.
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LoPo
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Name a 30 year old one dimensional big man who makes $30+ who a team is grateful to have. Doesnt exist...
Hell, Kevin Love is a dang good player and nobody wants to touch his contract.
DeAndre Jordan went from All Star to irrelevant in a hurry.
Marc Gasol got dumped by Memphis and won't get a big deal again.
Ibaka can shoot the 3, and he wouldn't get $20.
Vucevic had an amazing season last year and still couldn't get $30.
Horford doesn't make $30 and that deal is still awful.
Old, overpaid bigs don't win you titles if relied on to play a major role.
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One Brow
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How many such 27-year-old big men exist?
How many one-dimensional players of any height are worth $30M contracts at any age?
Also, I disagree that Gobert is one-dimensional.
Gobert has a better shot at getting us a title than any stupid ****ing trade you have proposed on this website.
LoPo
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Rudy is one dimensional on defense. He can shut down an area of the court but can't shut down an individual player or defend perimeter players.
Rudy is one dimensional on offense. He can set amazing screens that lead to him finishing lobs. He can't create offense, dribble, post up, etc.
He is at his prime. When he regresses, we will grow to despise Rudy if he makes too much. It happened with AK. It happened with Ostertag. It will happen Jingles next year. Thats why we can't pay Rudy too much. I hate when people hate our legends.
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LoPo
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The only way that happens is if we get some borderline all star addition at the wing without sacrificing much to get that player.
Outside of that, Rudy at max+ will keep us from competing for 2nd round more than leading us anywhere close to contending.
But hey, keep pushing your pro-Conley and pro-Rudy agendas. Your lack of creativity never surprises me.
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The Jazz Wonderbra
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PJ Wash, Miles Bridges, Monk, Ntilikina, Christian Wood, and a #3 pick do not a playoff contender make. They all have flaws in their games. None of them individually moves the needle. We can pick up similar players in vets who want to compete.
Losing all stars for role players and promising young players doesn't typically make teams relevant for years. OKC did it, but they got gobs of draft picks while taking on everyone else's trash with top tier young players. Gobert and Conley for several promising role players and depth isn't going to cut it. Sorry.
This league is about who has the best players, not who has the most role players. Trading a top 15 player and a top 50 player for 7 top 200 players is a recipe for disaster. You asked for constructive criticism. There ya have it.
That's constructive criticism.