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Over on RealGM I read some comments and wanted to know what my fellow Jazz fans think.

One is that some posters expected the Jazz to be roughly the same on O this season because Hayward doesn't have any help on that end.

Another comment was that the Jazz don't have any players that are that good at ball handling and that will cost them the playoff spot.

thoughts?
 
I can buy the offensive thing, though if Burks and Hood improve like we all think they will there will be Hayward's help. Heck, if Favors develops a 17 footer that's reliable there's more offensive help. I always sleep on Favors but there is a guy who has done nothing but "quietly" improve his game year after year.

The ball handling thing. It's possible, but if Quinn's system doesn't use the PG in a traditional manner this effect will be negated. Very good/crisp passing and the willingness to pass is critical for this to work, but the Lakers game (granted, preseason, yeah I know) gave me hope this is improving. I think all the wings are capable ballhandlers, though not excellent. If Neto learns how to shoot though all of a sudden the Jazz do have a PG who can handle the ball (not that the two have anything to do with each other, but the former does have something to do with Neto seeing the floor more).
 
Hogwash
 
Our offense will be better. It's hard to say how much better, but it will be better. I think the first two preseason games have shown glimmers. Individually, I expect Hayward, Favors, Hood, and Burks to take steps forward offensively.

Ball handling isn't a strength, but it won't be what costs us a playoff spot (if we miss out). --I wish we had one more quality bench piece who could score in bunches. That's what might cost us.
 
Non-Jazz fans don't think we are that great unless they are NBA die hards.

I live in Sacramento and have outstanding bets with every sucker Kings fan I can find. I have gotten them to bet me straight up on win total between the two teams. When they ask me how they will be they are generally shocked to find I am very bullish on the Jazz. They think we are in a perpetual rebuild (which is high comedy seeing as the Kings haven't made the playoffs in forever). They also don't know the greatness of Gobert. I felt a little bad but a few of them were talking all sorts of smack and I basically told them they could no longer offer input into the conversation unless they were willing to bet me straight up on wins.... I basically shushed them like a child.

Long and short of it... most people don't see how good we can be. They overlook the return of AB and don't know we basically only had a healthy Hood down the stretch. Basically those guys don't know what up!
 
NAOS said:
taking easy money through sports bets with idiots................ pure fun.
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A couple of the guys are total douches too. I may not even spend the money... just look at it when I'm sad and smile.
 
NAOS said:
taking easy money through sports bets with idiots................ pure fun.
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when the Vegas lines came out I ribbed them a bit... Vegas is giving Utah 10 more wins than Sac.
 
With Burks, Hood and Hayward we have good number of players who can create with ball in their hands, the problem is only Hayward has really proven he can do it efficiently on high usage for a full season. In other words, it's somewhat understandable for people who don't regularly follow the Jazz to not know we actually have offensive threats besides Hayward.

I think that rotation needs to be staggered during the first 3 quarters and they need to finish the game together. We might have found something with the PG-less lineups. I really loved what the Burks-Hood-Millsap lineup did at the end of the Lakers game. Imagine Hayward instead of Millsap in that lineup and Gobert and Favors in the paint. If two of them hit their 3s at a good rate(>38%), I think we can take a small step forward offensively. I doubt we would be juggernaut offensively, but we can be respectable, while keeping top defense. That's a recipe for a contender. If we are top 5 in defense and top 15 offensively that's usually ~50 wins team.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Non-Jazz fans don't think we are that great unless they are NBA die hards.

I live in Sacramento and have outstanding bets with every sucker Kings fan I can find. I have gotten them to bet me straight up on win total between the two teams. When they ask me how they will be they are generally shocked to find I am very bullish on the Jazz. They think we are in a perpetual rebuild (which is high comedy seeing as the Kings haven't made the playoffs in forever). They also don't know the greatness of Gobert. I felt a little bad but a few of them were talking all sorts of smack and I basically told them they could no longer offer input into the conversation unless they were willing to bet me straight up on wins.... I basically shushed them like a child.

Long and short of it... most people don't see how good we can be. They overlook the return of AB and don't know we basically only had a healthy Hood down the stretch. Basically those guys don't know what up!
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I have a bet with a co worker on who will have more wins out of the jazz or Lakers lol.
Easy money
 
fishonjazz said:
I have a bet with a co worker on who will have more wins out of the jazz or Lakers lol.
Easy money
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What? At even odds? WTF! I guess since their announcers and beat writers think it it's only normal for their fans to follow suit. Might need to revive the Fiesta of delusion thread...
 
stitches said:
What? At even odds? WTF! I guess since their announcers and beat writers think it it's only normal for their fans to follow suit. Might need to revive the Fiesta of delusion thread...
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Yep its even odds..... It's only for 10 bucks though.
I couldn't get him to go any higher so I guess he isn't a complete idiot
 
Burks is more mature. Hood is more mature. We're not relying on Burke to do much. We're pushing early offense and scoring off our defense. Favors is focused on being a full-time PF. Gobert is going to get some buckets.

I think the offense will be fine. But yeah, we need to rely on Hayward less to create in the half court.
 
fishonjazz said:
I have a bet with a co worker on who will have more wins out of the jazz or Lakers lol.
Easy money
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Playing basketball with a Knicks fan last night he argued for 20 minutes that the Knicks would win more games and were a better team. His only reason was they have Crymello, who he adamantly insisted was one of the 5 best players in the league. I and my other buddy couldn't stop laughing.
 
Stoked said:
Over on RealGM I read some comments and wanted to know what my fellow Jazz fans think.

One is that some posters expected the Jazz to be roughly the same on O this season because Hayward doesn't have any help on that end.

Another comment was that the Jazz don't have any players that are that good at ball handling and that will cost them the playoff spot.

thoughts?
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Point 1: The obvious improvement on O this year is the addition of Burks. Then there is the fact that Favors had improved his scoring average every year. Gobert gets better and better all the time on that end as well. Hood's foot injuries held him back for a lot of last season, so he will be more productive. Also, scoring is not just about the starters, we are deeper than last year and our bench will be able to score with Hayward off the floor. And then there is the fact we run an offense based on passing, not iso plays, so even tho Hayward was our top scorer, he wasn't our first option.

Point 2: For all the criticism Burke gets on this board, I don't think anyone has ever accused him of having bad handles. Neto seems to have good control too, likewise Cotton if he returns, so that's the PG position covered. On the wing, Burks, Hayward, Hood and Ingles are all more than capable ball-handlers. However, I'm guessing this statement really means "the Jazz don't have any one-on-one iso players", in which case, see the first and last sentences of my rebuttal of point 1.
 
NAOS said:
Our offense will be better. It's hard to say how much better, but it will be better. I think the first two preseason games have shown glimmers. Individually, I expect Hayward, Favors, Hood, and Burks to take steps forward offensively.

Ball handling isn't a strength, but it won't be what costs us a playoff spot (if we miss out). --I wish we had one more quality bench piece who could score in bunches. That's what might cost us.
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Shimmering glimpses?
 
Offense will be better than last year. Ball handling is whatever. Offense next year with Exum back should be pretty efficient. I bet after Exum gets back we become a top ten offensive team to go along with the best defense in the league . This year hopefully our offense is close to top half of the league or better .
 
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