GVC
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Your shtick is tiresome. Just as easily as you can say I'm angry, I can say I'm calm or you're angry or whatever.
I can say quite calmly that I think you're an arse.
Reasons you left the LDS church.
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I can say quite calmly that I think you're an arse.
GVC
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I realize I got a bit defensive with Jazzspazz, and as a result was aggressive. I don't disagree with this sentiment at all.
My initial comment wasn't about this element who so blatantly talks **** about people they don't know **** about. Rather, it was about people who make assertions about how their lives would be if in someone else's shoes, having never been in those shoes before. These statements sometimes have some offensive implications for people who have experienced life in both cultures in question. When a person who has been a member of some religion, for example, makes a statement about how lost, wicked and unhappy they'd be if they didn't have their church, the implication is (or at least can be) that all those who aren't members of their particular faith are lost, wicked and unhappy. I wasn't punching walls and crying about this potential slight (I acknowledged that JazzSpazz may have been talking about only himself), but I thought it was worthwhile to point out.
I should be more patient and diplomatic. I was raised in a family where you say what you mean, and being harsh is expected. A place where no subtlety goes unpunished. If you don't speak loud and forcefully, no one will take you seriously. I realize that a lot of people aren't accustomed to that sort of conversation.
Yeah, I understood where you were coming from. And I agree. There are some who characterize life outside the church as some sort of dark wasteland, fraught with torment. I think this is mostly hyperbole, and it's another facet of the culture. It's something they (and other members) are familiar with, and hear regularly. Maybe some actually believe it, but mostly I think it's just a way of expressing one's own satisfaction with the church. Self affirming.
GVC
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Be careful, you might upset conan and log with comments like that.
And ya, it's self affirming, but it can also scare those who are unhappy with their lives in the church/Mormon community into staying. I think it's understandable why I'd speak up when that sort of sentiment is expressed, as I think my life is much improved since leaving the church, but also know how difficult it can be to do so.
Guys this thread is becoming nothing but a flame war. If it doesn't stop I'm locking it.
That's how these things usually go.
Besides taking the bait from Conan that I am just helpless against, I tried to keep it measured.
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A shame. It was honestly a very enlightening, civilized thread up until the 12th page. The hostile tone of one poster's posts ruined things, and it transferred to everyone else. CONAN is just a textbook troll, and Im surprised he isn't on the ignored lists of the many posters that dislike him.
gregbroncs
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Gotta say I have enjoyed this thread.
I have one question though. Is there any point to argueing over religion? It's not like your going to change someones mind. Seeing people argue over this is absolutely hilarious to me.
I have one question though. Is there any point to argueing over religion? It's not like your going to change someones mind. Seeing people argue over this is absolutely hilarious to me.
I didn't want to get re-involved in the thread, argh. But ya, I think there is value in discussing religion. The number of truly religious people is no where close to where it was a hundred years ago. And those who are religious, are typically not as fanatic as their equivalent ancestors. This trend is due ,at least in large part, to an explosion of knowledge and communication technology.