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cjs55 said:
Rebounding isn't defense. By definition, defense is trying to stop the opposing team from scoring. Rebounding is trying to get the ball after you've stopped the other team from scoring. That's not defense, even if it occurs on the defensive end of the floor. Defense is what occurred before the rebound took place. Rebounding is a third category, separate from offense or defense.

Carlos Boozer was a bad defensive player, and a great rebounder. Those two things aren't mutually exclusive.

Right now Al Jeff is bad at both. Millsap is bad at defensive rebounding, good at offensive rebounding, and a much better defender than either Al Jefferson or Boozer.

This is why we need to start Elson, as he's the best rebounder on the team at the moment.
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*facepalm
 
Wow, what an informative and helpful reply.

If you think rebounding is defense, you are conflating words commonly used separately for no good reason.

You can play a great defensive posession and fail to rebound. This is common usage of terms that no one has trouble understanding. According to you guys, this makes no sense.

By the way, is offensive rebounding also defense? Or is it offense? If it is offense, how can rebounding be both defense and offense, two diametrical opposites?
 
Just for ***** and giggles, KEK, could you put Fes' minutes played next to each one of those games...I want to see if Fes has any effect whatsoever on the games....thank yo!
 
cjs55 said:
Wow, what an informative and helpful reply.

If you think rebounding is defense, you are conflating words commonly used separately for no good reason.

You can play a great defensive posession and fail to rebound. This is common usage of terms that no one has trouble understanding. According to you guys, this makes no sense.

By the way, is offensive rebounding also defense? Or is it offense? If it is offense, how can rebounding be both defense and offense, two diametrical opposites?
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If you don't think grabbing a rebound at the end of a defensive possession is part of playing defense I don't know what to tell you.

There's a reason it's called DEFENSIVE rebounding, it's a part of a defensive possession and usually the most effective and advantageous way of ending a defensive possession.

OFFENSIVE rebounding is part of an offensive possession, and a very effective way of creating additional scoring opportunities.

What am I missing here?
 
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cjs55 said:
Rebounding isn't defense. By definition, defense is trying to stop the opposing team from scoring. Rebounding is trying to get the ball after you've stopped the other team from scoring. That's not defense, even if it occurs on the defensive end of the floor. Defense is what occurred before the rebound took place. Rebounding is a third category, separate from offense or defense.

Carlos Boozer was a bad defensive player, and a great rebounder. Those two things aren't mutually exclusive.

Right now Al Jeff is bad at both. Millsap is bad at defensive rebounding, good at offensive rebounding, and a much better defender than either Al Jefferson or Boozer.

This is why we need to start Elson, as he's the best rebounder on the team at the moment.
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Sweet!

While we're having this discussion (again) lets talk about:

#1 Trading CJ or somebody crappy for Stephen Jackson or Corey Maggette. It's been a few weeks since we've talked about this trade. Since we've been talking about trading for these guys for at least 5 years, lets continue!
#2 Is there anyone that we can trade for for Jeff Foster? Or is he retired yet?

Ummmmm who else have we talked about trading for over the years.... Ummm... Ah yes, Emeka Okafor for Memo Okur!? Brilliant! BRILLIANT!

Lets also rip on Jerry's timeouts, KOC's 1st round selections, and discuss whether Harpring REALLY did play Football.
 
Oh, and lets start another homo thread. I'm pretty sure Beantown is going to persuade Kicky that he's right.... Or Vice versa!!! I have feelingabout this guys!

Lets keep recycling old subjects!
 
BabyPeterzz said:
If you don't think grabbing a rebound at the end of a defensive possession is part of playing defense I don't know what to tell you.

There's a reason it's called DEFENSIVE rebounding, it's a part of a defensive possession and usually the most effective and advantageous way of ending a defensive possession.

OFFENSIVE rebounding is part of an offensive possession, and a very effective way of creating additional scoring opportunities.

What am I missing here?
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Agreed. Defense is about keeping them from scoring. When you fail to get a defensive rebound it typically lands in the offensive player's hand 2 ft away from the bucket resulting in either an easy throw down or a trip to line. The point is the defensive possion isn't over till you get the ball, making d rebs very much a part of defense in my eyes.
 
Good defense means keeping your opponent out of their "comfort zone" (spots where they like to take their shots). Depending on how bad a shot is taken, the defenders may well fail to get the rebound due to their defensive position and the bounce of the ball. Chuck Daly's old Detroit Pistons teams typically had a smothering, in-your-face defense, but in the minds of some gave up too many offensive rebounds. Irritating but it didn't matter, as they loved to play D; they would just crank up their D again...
 
Rebounding has to improve. With that being said, the Jazz's passing has to improve as well. In the game last night, I don't recall seeing worse or more telegraphed passes since the days of Ryan Leaf from the Jazz. Millsap can not feed the post worth a lick. When DWill was posting up, it was an automatic turnover. Get the ball and take care of it, and we'll be fine.
 
catratcho said:
This is really surprising to me. Watching that Spurs game last night was brutal. I can't believe how band our rebounding is right now. It's almost like the players are afraid of actually fighting for a board.
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The Jazz are used to letting Boozer or Okur get the defensive boards.
 
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