Renegotiate John Collins

[KqWIN]

I don’t think this will happen, but credit to @Hedda Gambler who has had some creative cap takes. Wish you were in the FO when we were signing Favors and Clarkson.

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

Option 1: Extend Lauri now and give him an extra $23 million now so his contract is cheaper for the remaining 5 years making it easier to add surrounding pieces later

OR

Option 2: Save maybe $6 million at best on Collins to pay someone else next year

I prefer the latter.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I don’t think this will happen, but credit to @Hedda Gambler who has had some creative cap takes. Wish you were in the FO when we were signing Favors and Clarkson.

Yeah, this is good thinking. Big ups @Hedda Gambler .

 

[SoberasHotRod]

I think the way to think about this idea is how much you could get in a salary dump vs how much you would have to add to dump Collins. If it's about the same maybe it is a little cleaner to not have to deal with other teams.

 

[MT Steve]

I wonder if a team has ever done something like this before.

 

[homeytennis]

I thought Collins played hard for the most part and his stats were OK. But then you compare his stats to guys the Jazz don't want over the last few games like Yurt7, Luka, Bazely, Potter and Kenny it gets sobering very quickly. Maybe the Jazz treat him like the Knicks did Evan Fournier and let him rot on the bench. I bet the five guys annual salary did not equal Collins and arguably they were as productive.

 

[hgb]

I thought Collins played hard for the most part and his stats were OK. But then you compare his stats to guys the Jazz don't want over the last few games like Yurt7, Luka, Bazely, Potter and Kenny it gets sobering very quickly. Maybe the Jazz treat him like the Knicks did Evan Fournier and let him rot on the bench. I bet the five guys annual salary did not equal Collins and arguably they were as productive.

I disagree strongly. They weren't close to as productive. You can always look at stats from a couple of exceedingly meaningless games, but Collins played through the whole season carrying a significantly heavier load than any of those guys.

 

[Hedda Gambler]

I think you’re overthinking getting a $17 million raise. I’m sure he can get an $8 million deal even if he has a down season.

But yeah, it’s worth thinking through the issue. He can’t really get a bigger raise than the max, and if he does have a total outlier season (he suddenly becomes a legit modern 4 and/or gets really good at defense), his extension number next year doesn’t require cap-space to re-up.

I can see some downsides to your point but I mostly see this as a no-brainer for Collins. I think the biggest hitch is that I don’t know if it’s legal (I think you have to extend for several years in order to renegotiate… but maybe not)?

The CBAFAQ-site still has the old CBA so what I am saying goes by this one. I have not heard about any changes to the R&E-process in the current CBA, but there might be something I have missed.

According to CBAFAQ, a four or five year deal can be renegotiated 3 years after it was signed. It does not need to be extended at the same time so as I read it, we could get offer Collind the full max for next season and have it expire after this year. If we add on more years, the salary can be 40% less in the first new year of the deal. I can`t find any clause that says the the extension has to be a minimum number of years. When we R&Ed Jordan Clarkson last year, we only added on two years so we know that two more years is possible.