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He can provide the links but they aren't of any interest. I, like most people, simply don't care about QAnon.
When you say the links aren’t of any interest, you realize you are pretending to speak for everyone? Why do you believe you can safely speak for everyone? Quite the ego ya got there. BTW, “Most people” does not include social scientists.
That title belongs firmly to The Thriller. Most of your mentions of QAnon were actually directed at The Thriller in telling him he was going overboard. Red and The Thriller combined account for nearly half of all mentions of QAnon on JazzFanz.
And I’ve only just started. One reason I’m posting these, in addition to catching up with@The Thriller, is to demonstrate just how out of whack you are in dismissing the study of QAnon as irrelevant. So foolish to go through the effort of actually counting the times to prove nothing whatsoever, to have no point to make at all.

Anyway, here are my mentions # 36-41. I’ll be in first place before you can say “look, a meteorite!!”



Abstract​

What is truth in politics? Movements such as the anti-establishment, internet-born conspiracy theory QAnon are offered as dramatic cases of just how “irrational” people have become in a “post-truth” political world. However, with a growing number of everyday Americans believing in such theories, labeling adherents “irrational” ignores the internally rationalizing logic of conspiracy theories, so we ask the question: how do QAnon followers think through, argue, and rationalize their political truths? This paper establishes a discursive framework that demonstrates how QAnon adherents translate the theory’s paradigmatic political epistemology into personal ideologies. I identify the narrative structures that guide belief, examining how QAnon followers develop a general political plot, set the parameters for conflict, embrace their role in the story, determine what is in the political canon, and relate to the narrative that has been constructed. This analysis highlights the contradictions within the QAnon conspiracy theory—not to pathologize adherents’ irrationality but to demonstrate how people must wrestle with contradiction, paradox, and confusion when developing political ideologies. When framed as the as victims of a brainwashing cult, QAnons routinely respond, “no cult tells you to think for yourself”; instead, their narratives allow them to interpret QAnon in service of developing personalized political truths. Thus, this paper takes their words at face value to see the world as they interpret it. I argue that ideologies are a function of broader political epistemologies such as QAnon; they are embodied, narrativized ways of being in the world that make life livable—despite any inner contradictions—and guide political participation.


As with ISIL, QAnon’s ideology proliferates through easily-shareable digital content espousing grievances and injustices by “evil oppressors.” To perhaps a greater degree than any comparable movement, QAnon is a product of the social media era which created a perfect storm for it to spread. It was QAnon’s spread onto the mainstream social media platforms—and from there onto the streets—that made this phenomenon into a global concern. Social media platforms, again, aided and abetted QAnon growth by driving vulnerable audiences to their content.




 
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Isn’t that one of the problems right now with the conservative movement? MAGA extremism has largely taken it over. Those who aren’t liberal used to primarily identify as conservative. But now such descriptors don’t even apply to them anymore as they’ve rejected MAGA extremism. So what does being a conservative even mean anymore? Especially since such descriptors have changed drastically in just the past decade.
I think you have occasionally posted videos from The Lincoln Project, who IIRC are non-MAGA conservatives. We need to wait until Trump is no longer a figurehead (likely when he dies) and sort out the aftermath before we judge whether MAGA is primarily Trumpism or the new normal.

I feel like you might be omitting some pretty important context. You were caught making a joke at my expense and now seem to be doubling down after I refuted your claim that I label everyone “conservative” as a troll.
I was not making a joke, I was expressing a long-running frustration that I have expressed before, and I reaffirmed my position. You bring valuable content. You also bring harsh and quick judgements. Neither disguises the other.

Which, I’m fine if you wanted it to be taken as a joke. I’m however, not in agreement with it if you’re serious about that claim. I’m curious, who on this site is conservative in your view? Could you provide a quick list?
Non-trolling?

When they care to chime in, I enjoy reading:
RandyForRubio
JazzSpazz
Bucknutz (who says he is not conservative, but seems right-leaning to me)
 
#42. So, why is the subject of QAnon not perfectly appropriate in a thread involving fascism?

 
Bucknutz (who says he is not conservative, but seems right-leaning to me)
You consider me right-leaning because you’re left.
Im a huge believer in UBI. I believe it will be the future very soon, especially with how AI, robotics and technology is rapidly evolving. I think we should start planning and testing it now to be ready.

I also think we should have a national college (online and satellite sites) which is subsidized to give an option to people to get through college for free or a little money out of pocket. But limit it to only majors that are needed in our country.

I love the German model of health care. It was the best setup I have experienced. They also don’t push pills like in America. 7 day usage and then another Dr Appointment to get more or change things up. It’s a universal health care system.

If I said any of this on a right-leaning site, I would be laughed at and called a liberal or socialist.

These topics are really not brought up here recently so I haven’t posted my opinions. But if you want to chat about I would love to talk about them.
 
You consider me right-leaning because you’re left.
Im a huge believer in UBI. I believe it will be the future very soon, especially with how AI, robotics and technology is rapidly evolving. I think we should start planning and testing it now to be ready.

I also think we should have a national college (online and satellite sites) which is subsidized to give an option to people to get through college for free or a little money out of pocket. But limit it to only majors that are needed in our country.

I love the German model of health care. It was the best setup I have experienced. They also don’t push pills like in America. 7 day usage and then another Dr Appointment to get more or change things up. It’s a universal health care system.

If I said any of this on a right-leaning site, I would be laughed at and called a liberal or socialist.

These topics are really not brought up here recently so I haven’t posted my opinions. But if you want to chat about I would love to talk about them.
Agreed on the German health care system. Best I have personally had experience with.
 
You consider me right-leaning because you’re left.
Im a huge believer in UBI. I believe it will be the future very soon, especially with how AI, robotics and technology is rapidly evolving. I think we should start planning and testing it now to be ready.

I also think we should have a national college (online and satellite sites) which is subsidized to give an option to people to get through college for free or a little money out of pocket. But limit it to only majors that are needed in our country.

I love the German model of health care. It was the best setup I have experienced. They also don’t push pills like in America. 7 day usage and then another Dr Appointment to get more or change things up. It’s a universal health care system.

If I said any of this on a right-leaning site, I would be laughed at and called a liberal or socialist.

These topics are really not brought up here recently so I haven’t posted my opinions. But if you want to chat about I would love to talk about them.
I would love a discussion on UBI. I am not 100% sure it will really be necessary. I mean in 1920 they imagined that before long machines would improve productivity so much that people would only need to work 20hrs a week max and still make the same amount of money. Yes, the increased productivity happened, the reduced work week and higher pay per hour did not.

I'm sure leaders of industry will find ways to occupy the heard and keep their pay low enough that they'll be begging to work 50-60hrs a week so that they can live a one-tier up quality of life.
 
I would love a discussion on UBI. I am not 100% sure it will really be necessary. I mean in 1920 they imagined that before long machines would improve productivity so much that people would only need to work 20hrs a week max and still make the same amount of money. Yes, the increased productivity happened, the reduced work week and higher pay per hour did not.

I'm sure leaders of industry will find ways to occupy the heard and keep their pay low enough that they'll be begging to work 50-60hrs a week so that they can live a one-tier up quality of life.
That last part is so true. And the bigger driver is the fact that profit always needs to be higher, no matter how high it is. So cost/benefit analysis determines what mixture of machines and people generate the highest profit, and frankly to get machines to really replace people as has been postulated is prohibitively expensive, as is providing people with a "full-time" wage for what amounts to half of a "traditional" work-week. So they make the people work their 40 hours to get the work done to save some money and get the most bottom-line production from the people to maximize profits. Most of the largest companies could easily afford to pay people a full wage while giving them a shorter work-week, including benefits and all, and even full medical and such, but it would cut into profits more than they are willing to do. So unless the government forces their hand and makes them provide something different, then they will continue to drive profits as high as they can and give back to the workers exactly barely what they have to in order to maintain their profit-levels.
 
Well, part of that is the fact that profit always needs to be higher, no matter how high it is. So cost/benefit analysis determines what mixture of machines and people generate the highest profit, and frankly to get machines to really replace people as has been postulated is prohibitively expensive, as is providing people with a "full-time" wage for what amounts to half of a "traditional" work-week. So they make the people work their 40 hours to get the work done to save some money and get the most bottom-line production from the people to maximize profits. Most of the largest companies could easily afford to pay people a full wage while giving them a shorter work-week, including benefits and all, and even full medical and such, but it would cut into profits more than they are willing to do. So unless the government forces their hand and makes them provide something different, then they will continue to drive profits as high as they can and give back to the workers exactly barely what they have to in order to maintain their profit-levels.
Do you see any reason why automation and AI would cause that dynamic to change?

@Bucknutz
You should start a UBI thread
 
Do you see any reason why automation and AI would cause that dynamic to change?

@Bucknutz
You should start a UBI thread
From my experience we are pretty far off from really replacing many people in the workplace, especially in jobs like my career has been, manufacturing and logistics. Yes we have more robots doing more work (AGVs, drones, conveyor systems, ASR systems, etc). For all the automated guided vehicles we use (AGVs), we still need people to keep them running, correct things when they mess up, and frankly mostly these are helping humans do their jobs more than replacing the humans in that job. We have AGVs in the warehouse that carries the product from the shelves to the pack stations, but they rely on humans to pick the items, verify the items, and put the items into bins the AGV carries, for example. So mostly now it is changing the skillsets needed and creating different roles we didn't know we needed before.

Have you seen the show "Humans"? It gets into the ramifications of the invention of AI androids that are capable of truly replacing humans, including social and workplace dynamics. It is really interesting. Of course they get more into the sentience debate, but even just the conversations around what the new synthetic humans can do - they call them synths - and actually replacing workers, are really interesting. But until we get to that level of AI, I just cannot see a wholesale replacement of humans in the workplace. And I see no incentive for any employer to reduce hours.

Even as we make people more productive, the most we do is release enough people that the remaining people still work some OT. I just do not ever see that changing, especially in our work culture where using all your PTO is viewed as slacking and people wear complete burn-out as a badge of honor. No way will business accept a 30 hour work week, even if it just means adding a few extra people, because then you have cost of benefits and everything else, and how can they be dedicated if they are working less than 5 days a week and less than 8-10 hours per day? That 40 hour+ work week is a permanent fixture in the US and I don't see it ever changing without legislation straight up mandating it. Even though they have done studies and shown that people usually are even more productive when we work them fewer hours and give them more time off, to the point where they easily make up for the extra time away from work. But in our culture, that is viewed as being lazy and the ones who move up are the ones replying to the group email at 2:30 am on a Saturday while everyone else is asleep. That guy is the go-getter, so he is the next promotion, regardless often of his actual ability. But he is so dedicated he is the guy responding to emails in off hours and in the middle of his vacation in Hawaii he is the guy that calls into the conference call anyway, whether he is needed or not, and that gets rewarded. It is exactly what business wants. So none of that is changing anytime soon.
 
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