I take this with all respect you have earned.
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I could not possibly ever lose sight of the fact that we are all human. It’s you, who insist all these terrible things. About me. And others, with whom you disagree. You claimed I want the final solution applied to MAGA supporters. Now, according to you, you claim I refuse to even grant the status of “human” to those I disagree with. This is called projection on your part. You are projecting what you believe about Democrats onto myself specifically.
All along, going back to the thread on the psychology of liberals vs. conservatives, back in 2016, I have sought to understand what is going on, what has happened to my country. Why? Because I understood we were all human. Because I understood that, eventually, like it or not, we were going to have to see these poisonous divisions bridged through dialog and efforts to understand the roots of these divisions. Making me the very opposite of what you claim of me in the quote above.
BTW, did you look at what the speakers at the Great Awakening conference we’re talking about? They’re certainly not my ideological compatriots. Do you see any of them DE-HUMANIZING Democrats and liberals?? You should be identifying the dehumanizing trends where they lie. It ain’t with me, that’s for sure.
Do I want to stop MAGA in its tracks? Of course. It’s the most anti-intellectual, anti-rational movement in America, in my lifetime. It’s running with the Big Lie and Post Truth. I’m no fan of Orwellian level Big Lies or eliminating consensus reality so that Truth becomes whatever the hell one feels like the truth is. The Republican Party is going flat out nuts. A party I have voted for, for town council, mayor, governor, and two US Senators. Not now. Not while they are busy playing “we’re insane, vote for us”.
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LogGrad believed this was the GOP platform and believed the GOP should not be elected into office because this is their goal.
Far from being reliant on discrediting the source, I'm showing how the slight of hand is being performed. The GOP are not going to cut Social Security and Medicare. That is fake. I'll admit it is possible there may be some extreme nut who really wants to do that but it is beyond abhorrent to classify a group by the most extreme example that can be found. That is what bigots do. I do not think LogGrad is a bigot but I do think he fell for a carefully crafted piece of misinformation. The situation LogGrad genuinely believed to be true was created by election propaganda intended to scare voters into supporting Democrats in the upcoming election.
If someone wants to support Democrats in the upcoming election, that is fine but I'd hope their reasons for doing so is because they support some thing the Democrats are intending to do rather than being fooled by fear over a thing about the opposition that was never real to begin with.
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It’s all about projection. It’s what justifies voter suppression, draconian laws, authoritarianism, and ultimately genocide. Sadly, this book has a lot of application in 2022 America. Have you read it yet?
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All of this is admirable. MAGA, anti-intellectualism, anti-rationality, the big lie and post truth are all ideas. They are concepts. They should be debated, can be loved or loathed or feared.
Where you go off the rails in my eyes is when you move to loving, loathing, or fearing people. Your psychology of liberals versus conservatives is a case in point. It wasn't an exploration of liberalism versus conservatism, which are concepts, but liberals versus conservatives. With you, I feel that you believe this group of people are this and that group of people are that. I don't project on you what I believe about Democrats because there isn't a thing I believe about Democrats. I see you as unique from every other person here. You aren't The Thriller. You aren't One Brow, and they aren't each other.
And I still find it concerning that you seem to see conservatives, democrats, trump supporters, maga-types, etc., at the expense of seeing that we're all individual people who maybe believe this or that and are all doing the best we can rather than being some manifestation of evil.
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The level of self-blindness involved here is truly staggering.
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I don’t know what you’re talking about. Your concerns are entirely misplaced. They simply do not apply to me. MAGA is not a manifestation of evil. But it certainly is not good for the psychological health of our society. It’s damaging to the body politic, with its Big Lie politics. I see no reason why I cannot stand in opposition to Donald Trump and MAGA. If I care one iota about this country, I should be standing in opposition to Donald Trump and MAGA. We may end up flirting with fascism more than I’d like. But, I can be really detached from it all too, when it’s best. I can just observe it all like some visiting social scientist from another planet, studying this odd species. Whatever happens over the next several years will all be taken in stride by me. Which ever way the world turns, I will be fascinated by any and all turn of events. Whatever will be, will be. At any rate, your concerns are misplaced and do not apply to me in the least.
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And you seem to be posing my liberals vs. conservative psychology observation as if it were a combative equation. No! I could not find that old thread, looked hard, but my interest at the time was research into the psychological differences, and I believe we touched on actual physical/chemical differences in the brain as well. I’m sure we did, I would have done so.
You tell me I paint broad strokes, tarnish entire “groups”, tell me I ignore, don’t realize, we’re all individuals, and now you complain because I want to look at liberals and conservatives as people, and so let’s study people to see what we can discern?! Amazing!
But, the discussion was not based on your assumptions regarding myself. Not designed to draw combat lines, which seems to be the sense of your interpretation, but rather with a view to see if we can discern the causation of differences, in a manner that might help both conservatives and liberals understand both themselves, and each other, better. Now do you get it? Try to place things in a different context, to see if it sheds light. May be all wet at times, or not. We did not get here overnight, and Trump was a symptom as much as a causative agent. You seem to think I have some simplistic approach, but that is very far from the case. Again, your “concerns” about me are off base and ridiculous. Maybe, as some suggest, it’s trolling. Kinda sick of it, but whatever…
Conservative and Liberal Brains Might Have Some Real Differences
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MAGA supports all the elections they win. Then there is Jan 6. I was a long term Republican and an a fiscal conservative. I will never vote for the current pro tyranny MAGA/ Qanon party.
What was annual domestic spending under trump vs Obama? Certainly the size, scope and power of the federal government was dramatically reduced when republicans held the house senate and potus, no?
Republicans are tax and spend liberals.
How Trump's national debt of $23 trillion compares to Obama, Bush, Clinton
The pace at which Trump has added to the national debt isn't as surprising as it might initially look.
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Personally, I see the Republican embrace of this intolerant and phony Christianity as part of their drift toward fascism….
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The ReAwaken America speeches touted antisemitic, racist, sexist, and homophobic beliefs in the name of Christianity. Speeches were rife with apocalyptic and polarizing predictions of God’s vengeance befalling a wide range of opponents, including the founder of the World Economic Forum, President Joe Biden, and New York Attorney General Leticia James, who had written a letter to the tour’s local host, Pastor Paul Doyle, voicing concern that this event could spur violence. In the parking lot, I spotted a bus painted with the words “Patriot Street Fighter,” along with an image of a man in body armor with a bludgeon in his hand and the words “Get in the Fight” written in the red font of horror movies.
Booths outside the tent played to peoples’ appetite for conspiracy. As a mother, I was disturbed by a display selling a children’s book called The Plot Against the King — named “King Donald,” who is trying to “Make the Kingdom Great Again.”
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ReAwaken America proves that Christian nationalism isn’t Christian | Opinion
As a Christian pastor, I attended a recent stop of the tour, which is set to arrive in Manheim, Pa., on Oct. 21. I was deeply concerned by what I saw.
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The ReAwaken America speeches touted antisemitic, racist, sexist, and homophobic beliefs in the name of Christianity. Speeches were rife with apocalyptic and polarizing predictions of God’s vengeance befalling a wide range of opponents, including the founder of the World Economic Forum, President Joe Biden, and New York Attorney General Leticia James, who had written a letter to the tour’s local host, Pastor Paul Doyle, voicing concern that this event could spur violence. In the parking lot, I spotted a bus painted with the words “Patriot Street Fighter,” along with an image of a man in body armor with a bludgeon in his hand and the words “Get in the Fight” written in the red font of horror movies.
Booths outside the tent played to peoples’ appetite for conspiracy. As a mother, I was disturbed by a display selling a children’s book called The Plot Against the King — named “King Donald,” who is trying to “Make the Kingdom Great Again.”
We're Pa. clergy. Christian nationalism isn't Christian. This is why | Opinion • Pennsylvania Capital-Star
Christian Nationalism is inseparable from the idol of white supremacy in both our past and our present.
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As Midterms Approach, White Christian Nationalism is Mainstream for the GOP — And it's Only Getting Worse
As one might imagine, Yale University’s recent conference on White Christian nationalism and the midterm elections was full of sobering information. And yet, two conclusions managed to stand apart from the rest. First, that the phenomenon is firmly anchored within the Republican and conservative mai
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Agreed. It isn’t just the taxing and spending but also the liberal part that fit. Republicans are now the party most concerned with protecting the First Amendment and freedoms enshrined in the Constitution. The Republicans are the liberal party in America today.
The old liberals who used to champion the ACLU look nothing like the cancel culture identitarians who dominate the political left today. In 2022, the Republicans are liberals in the classic sense and the Democrats are now better described politically as progressives. Even the economic damage done by the democrat majority house, democrat majority run senate, and democrat president are consistent with progressivism. It was the 1920-21 depression that emphatically ended the Progressive Era, and I believe history is about to repeat. Hopefully we can get the progressives out and bring about a new roaring 20’s.
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