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Resign Conley... do or don’t

Ineptimusprime said:
We won’t replace him with a player of similar quality. I haven’t looked closely at the cap situation, but we are a little ****ed it would seem. There will need to be some wizardry by new management.

I think the choice this offseason will be between: (1) trying to run it back and hope for health next year; or (2) consciously taking a short term step backwards to re-tool to hopefully be younger and better when Mitchell hits his prime.

I know DL will choose (1). I hope the hypothetical new GM chooses (2). I don’t believe the current core can win a title. Option (1) just leads us to a few more good years with no championships and the retirement of the aging core for nothing in return. We then lose Mitchell to a coastal city and start a full rebuild. I think we build for Mitchell’s prime and bide our time.

The curveball will be if we are dealing with an “Unsalvageable” situation, which I am sort of expecting.
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The problem with running it back is all the other teams are trying or are improving. You have to sure up the bench with athletic guys who are not undersized. Players who can make shots when things break down. I just don't understand why some of the other players have not been given a chance to play during the regular season. Put Brantley or Hughes in with some of the starters or bench players to see how he does. You cannot evaluate guys during scrub time. I know Udoka was hurt most of the season but when he was deemed healthy why not play him some of Favors minutes. You could rest Favors and get him some help. We have a rotation of about 7 guys and the rest are either unproven draft picks/g-leaguers or Niang and Oni who both have shown they are scrub guys in the playoffs. People forget that Bryon Russell was the 12 man and close to be cut when someone went down and Jerry gave him a shot. You never know what will happen when a guy gets an opportunity.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I’m sure it’s been mentioned elsewhere, but Mike has missed ~ONE-THIRD of his regular season AND playoff games with the Jazz because of hamstring issues.

Betting that you’re gonna get more out of him at this stage of his career is straight up ****ing stupid.
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With Mike we are in between a rock and a hard place though. We need to retain him or else we have zero chance of having him when it counts... if we retain him we have a 60% chance of having him when it counts. We just have to bring him back with the right terms.

We also have to fill out the bench with guys that can step in and help us through the regular season competently and allow us to be some form of competent without Mike on the floor. We will have to get lucky... all title teams get a little lucky.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
With Mike we are in between a rock and a hard place though. We need to retain him or else we have zero chance of having him when it counts... if we retain him we have a 60% chance of having him when it counts. We just have to bring him back with the right terms.

We also have to fill out the bench with guys that can step in and help us through the regular season competently and allow us to be some form of competent without Mike on the floor. We will have to get lucky... all title teams get a little lucky.
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It sounds like a player like Caruso, Bane, or Maledon would be real useful. It’s too bad these blue-chippers would never be available for the Jazz.

Sarcasm aside, you’re preaching to the choir about Mike. Happy to have him at the right price, but the price isn’t that high.

If he’s $20 million when healthy, then take a third of that away and you’ve got your wage. Because for real, he’s not going to be healthier. If anything, he will be less so.
 
If the goal is to continue to build around Rudy, we have to keep Conley. If the goal is to build around Don, keeping Conley only makes sense if it comes at a relative bargain.
 
NUMBERICA said:
It sounds like a player like Caruso, Bane, or Maledon would be real useful. It’s too bad these blue-chippers would never be available for the Jazz.

Sarcasm aside, you’re preaching to the choir about Mike. Happy to have him at the right price, but the price isn’t that high.

If he’s $20 million when healthy, then take a third of that away and you’ve got your wage. Because for real, he’s not going to be healthier. If anything, he will be less so.
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Aging is in fact a thing ... some guys have overcome it but they are the exceptions.

It doesn't even have to be one of the many guys I've liked over the years... but how you draft Udoka with the current roster is just dumb... like almost a joke. Take a chance on Jaden McDaniels or someone like that and you fail then fine... the process was at least solid. Hell even trade the 1st to slide back and get a second round pick and help the luxury tax situation... I'd go for that... gonna go ahead and just guess Udoka would have still been there but would have cost half as much. We ended up like 2-3M in the tax and were only over that because they realized the ****ed up and decided to go get Matt Thomas to at least make it look like the filled out the roster while barely edging over the tax. Now we stare at a repeater tax with depth issues and a roster that has yet to get to the conference finals.

We have some tough choices ahead and I don't trust DL at all to make the right calls. At this point you almost need a heartless guy like Danny Ainge to come in and move Favs or JC and say locker room be damned. Budget cuts are coming... short of hitting a home run with the 30th pick this iteration of the Jazz has had their best shot at a title fall short in the second round.
 
MT Steve said:
Seeing a lot of posts in here that make me believe people don't understand we're over the salary cap either way.

If we don't keep Conley, we don't have cap space to replace him.
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Only way you don't bring him back is if the price is ridiculous. Letting him walk and then giving a mid first round pick to Memphis would just be the icing to finish off DL's cakkkkk.
 
Only for the right price. His hammy is the issue. I would rather go after a young big gun though. Do not know if that is possible. or who are free agents but the Jazz need more athletic guys.
 
So why are we over the cap if we don't re-sign Mike. He is getting 30 million plus this year? I know nothing about the cap, yes I know it is obvious but why do we not get at least most of his 30 million salary to use. Is this because DM contract kicks in?
 
The Mike Conley experiment has been a failure due to his being injury prone. Regardless of his next contract, the problem is that the Jazz can't rely on him to be able to play. He's undersized, he's sometimes overmatched physically, and he wears out too quickly. He's a great dude though.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
The Mike Conley experiment has been a failure due to his being injury prone. Regardless of his next contract, the problem is that the Jazz can't rely on him to be able to play. He's undersized, he's sometimes overmatched physically, and he wears out too quickly. He's a great dude though.
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I think we will try to bring Conley back, unless a super awesome sign and trade presents itself. I just hope it’s a tradeable deal whatever it is. No overpays. You don’t get the patented Jazz overpay if you don’t play in the playoffs. Don’t care if it’s because of injury.

At least one of Bogey, Ingles, or Clarkson will not be on the team next year. It’s the only realistic way to make needed changes unless the FO decides Gobert is on the chopping block.

I think we might also see a purge on the back half of the roster. Can anyone run through the contract situations of guys like Oni, Brantley, Forrest, and Hughes? Who is guaranteed, partially guaranteed? Who is not?
 
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