In both cases the only thing being defended against is having a living child. The mother did a thing which conceived a child and decided later that she did not want to raise a child and so set about killing the child. The ONLY difference is that one child was pre-delivery while the other was post-delivery.
You keep mixing two things - child and fetus. Fetus is not the child.
A fetus and a child are the same thing. The term "with child" has been used to describe pregnant women for as long as we've had language. The delivery process does not fundamentally change what the child is. It was the offspring of a mother and father before birth and is the offspring of a mother and father after birth. It is a child. You are building a semantic wall in your head to morally justify an act that is truly horrific. An abortion is a mother choosing to kill her child.
A 14-day old infant and a 14-year old teenager also have different requirements but that doesn’t mean one is a child while the other is not.
They are not the same thing though. If they were then I could take care of a fetus without the mother. Like I can with a child. I cant take care of a fetus without the mother though. That makes them not the same.
That depends on a lot of circumstances, as is the case any time there is a homicide. All I want is the recognition that a life is ended. Those who argue against that obvious fact seem to go to crazy extremes to avoid it as if calling the child a "fetus" makes it morally okay to kill a child, or a laser-like focus on a "woman's rights" to pretend there is no child's life being ended. The woman walking in to the abortion clinic is "with child" and the woman walking out is no longer "with child". That child was killed. Recognition of that child is where I'd hope we can start.
Throughout history there have been many, many believers who have pointed to this or that piece of evidence to "prove" a group of of humans were different and lesser in order to justify some horrific acts. Are you sure you want to count yourself in with those who use the same arguments you are now employing?
I feel the same way about anytime anyone masturbates. I mean I just want acknowledgement that life was ended. Im not sure what the punishment for masturbation should be as it depends on a lot of circumstances just like any other homicide.
You said that a child and a fetus are the same. I just gave you an example of how they aren't the same. Your tangent is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
A fetus is a child. An infant is a child. A toddler is a child. A preschooler is a child. An adolescent is a child. Arguing that an adolescent and a fetus are different says nothing to the fact that a fetus is a child.
A fetus needs a mothers body to survive. A toddler, infant, preschooler, adolescent does not.
I can see that biology is not a strength. While I could link to definitions of life, it is a far bigger concern that you don't seem to understand what happens when a woman masturbates.
I see why you are confused. You seem to think I said anytime WOMEN masturbate. I didn't though. Kind of telling how I used the word "anyone" and you automatically think that Im speaking about women as the problem with masturbating killing life. I was actually talking about men. Your hate of women makes you think I was talking about women sadly.
I think that "anyone" includes men and women. I can see that you think differently and believe "anyone" only refers to men. Much like children, you don't seem to see women as people.
nope. Anyone means anyone who is eliminating life when they masturbate. Which is obvious when you look at the context of discussion. Of course you singled out women cause you are you.
For me there is no choice here. You obviously save the child. Option B wouldn't even cross my mind in that situation. If I was in that situation and someone presented the option of saving the embryos at the expense of the child I'd probably give them a hard *** smack as I passed them on my way to save the child just so they could get their idiot head on straight.
