Roe v. Wade is going down

[One Brow]

With that point of view, should any murder be prosecuted? Seeing as you seem to believe the one murdered doesn’t get a say, and it is the murderer who is the one affected by being prosecuted for murder, should the state butt out in all cases where one human kills another?

We also have justifiable homicide for self-defense. If I were making the changes in your body similar to the changes from a pregnancy, and you had no other way to stop me, it would be a justified homicide.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

We also have justifiable homicide for self-defense. If I were making the changes in your body similar to the changes from a pregnancy, and you had no other way to stop me, it would be a justified homicide.

You have a hilariously backwards view. It isn't the fetus that is pregnant. It isn't the fetus secreting all the hormones that change a woman's body. It is the woman's body, and in nearly every case it is the result of an act the woman chose to commit. The one who had no choice universally in the conception process is the same one LogGrad thinks should have no say when being murdered.

 

[LogGrad98]

You have a hilariously backwards view. It isn't the fetus that is pregnant. It isn't the fetus secreting all the hormones that change a woman's body. It is the woman's body, and in nearly every case it is the result of an act the woman chose to commit. The one who had no choice universally in the conception process is the same one LogGrad thinks should have no say when being murdered.

Yeah you didn't even read a thing I said. And you didn't ask. I always knew you were intellectually dishonest, just more evidence of the same. Go search my name and abortion and read some of the huge arguments OB and I got into about this very topic. And then go ahead and **** off. If you refuse to do that search then feel free to never mention my name again. *******.

 

[fishonjazz]

With that point of view, should any murder be prosecuted? Seeing as you seem to believe the one murdered doesn’t get a say, and it is the murderer who is the one affected by being prosecuted for murder, should the state butt out in all cases where one human kills another?

With that point of view if someone takes their dying family member off life support should that person and doctor be put in prison for the rest of their lives. Abortion, murder, taking someone off life support, ejaculation/masturbation, its all the same and is all ending human life. There is no difference.


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[fishonjazz]

We make life and death choices all the time. As a society, as individuals, as independent groups. Human life has finite value at any stage of existence, and it is especially low in value when it is a fetus. I support abortion rights because I think a pregnant woman's feelings about her pregnancy are more important than a fetus. If she values the existence of the fetus then it is she who has given that fetus value. The fetus has no inherent value to me at all.

Great post


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[fishonjazz]

You have a hilariously backwards view. It isn't the fetus that is pregnant. It isn't the fetus secreting all the hormones that change a woman's body. It is the woman's body, and in nearly every case it is the result of an act the woman chose to commit. The one who had no choice universally in the conception process is the same one LogGrad thinks should have no say when being murdered.

Nearly is a tricky word


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[Al-O-Meter]

Yeah you didn't even read a thing I said. And you didn't ask. I always knew you were intellectually dishonest, just more evidence of the same. Go search my name and abortion and read some of the huge arguments OB and I got into about this very topic. And then go ahead and **** off. If you refuse to do that search then feel free to never mention my name again. *******.

I read everything you say in response to one of my posts but expecting that I go back to search for everything you've ever written, ever, is ridiculous. And you were responding to a comment I made to OneBrow, not you. The biggest fault I see in your thinking is that you outsource your own morals. An act is right or wrong because she thinks it is, or because of what consensus says. It is all someone else. It is all go along to get along. There is no ownership.

Is it a good thing if your family, friends, and neighbors are more likely to be a victim of crime? Without looking around to see what everyone else thinks, is a rising crime rate a good thing? How about rising divorce rates? Do you think it is a good thing when families split apart and lawyers take a third of everything that couple has built over their lives? Do you want to see more of that? How about suicide rate? Do you have an opinion of your own on the health of a society that increasingly chooses to kill themselves. Do you think children raised by single mothers do better at life than children raised in two-parent households? The data on all of this is absolutely damning.

While I don't agree with the prescriptions this guy makes at the conclusion of his video, his examination of the data is very good.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp_rgqRugho

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Nearly is a tricky word

It is, and it is also why there are carve-outs for those instances in nearly every piece of legislation. The dishonest side is the one claiming because those instances exist that all women should be able to kill their own children.

 

[fishonjazz]

It is, and it is also why there are carve-outs for those instances in nearly every piece of legislation. The dishonest side is the one claiming because those instances exist that all women should be able to kill their own children.

There is that word again.
You never answered my question about whether a person who takes their family member off life support is a killer like you call these women.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

You never answered my question about whether a person who takes their family member off life support is a killer like you call these women.

Are they choosing to end the life of a human? Yes. 100% yes they are choosing to end the life of a human being. The arguments in such cases are over it being compassionate for the afflicted, not that the family member isn't a human or that it is empowering for the ones who don't want to visit the hospital anymore because it is like boring and totally cramping their social life.

 

[fishonjazz]

Are they choosing to end the life of a human? Yes. 100% yes they are choosing to end the life of a human being. The arguments in such cases are over it being compassionate for the afflicted, not that the family member isn't a human or that it is empowering for the ones who don't want to visit the hospital anymore because it is like boring and totally cramping their social life.

Sometimes the argument/reason for abortion is also over it being compassionate for the fetus rather than that its not human or whatever.

 

[str8line]

I read everything you say in response to one of my posts but expecting that I go back to search for everything you've ever written, ever, is ridiculous. And you were responding to a comment I made to OneBrow, not you. The biggest fault I see in your thinking is that you outsource your own morals. An act is right or wrong because she thinks it is, or because of what consensus says. It is all someone else. It is all go along to get along. There is no ownership.

Is it a good thing if your family, friends, and neighbors are more likely to be a victim of crime? Without looking around to see what everyone else thinks, is a rising crime rate a good thing? How about rising divorce rates? Do you think it is a good thing when families split apart and lawyers take a third of everything that couple has built over their lives? Do you want to see more of that? How about suicide rate? Do you have an opinion of your own on the health of a society that increasingly chooses to kill themselves. Do you think children raised by single mothers do better at life than children raised in two-parent households? The data on all of this is absolutely damning.

While I don't agree with the prescriptions this guy makes at the conclusion of his video, his examination of the data is very good.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp_rgqRugho

Ok, you make a good argument for abortion. Unwanted children contribute to everything you mentioned.

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