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Roe v Wade Obvious Consequences

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fishonjazz said:
Looks like the people in that video are all kneeling around someone in cardiac arrest and one of them is performing CPR.
Then I turned the sound up and realized that they are just super religious weirdos.

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Somehow the man in the sky will give them their prayer while ignoring millions of prayers from others. Dem mysterious ways doe.
 
Red said:




www.theguardian.com

Arizona Republicans denounce revived 1864 abortion ban in sudden reversal

As the party struggles to talk about abortion, response marks fastest and strongest rebuke of bans since the fall of Roe
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www.thecut.com

Arizona’s Draconian Abortion Ban Belongs to Trump

This is what leaving the issue up to the states looks like.
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Oh noes!! That means a mother intent on killing her child will have to be inconvenienced by a 2 hour car ride to get to California.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Somehow the man in the sky will give them their prayer while ignoring millions of prayers from others. Dem mysterious ways doe.
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As a Christian, this really makes me feel icky. I don’t want to be associated with weirdo crazy people. Yet it seems like weirdo crazy people are getting all the attention in Christianity. It makes all of us Christians look bad imo.
 
I am against abortion in general. I believe it's a human in there and it has no choice in any of this. We always talk about people being able to do what they want to with their bodies but that infant has no choice what happens with its body. So how do we reconcile that?

However, I also know this is a huge point of debate, when does it become an actual human person, and with no scientific consensus it's all just belief and speculation. Given that reality, I recognize I'm in no position to make those decisions for anyone, and in the interest of preserving individual rights, I fully support the woman's right to choose how to handle those situations.

It's a far more difficult decision than anyone really knows outside of those who have had to struggle with it, so how arrogant do we have to be to believe our opinion is so important as to set actual laws and penalties to control someone else's decision in this context. Narcissistic, that's how arrogant. Fully narcissistic. You know, like apparently a standard Christian nationalist.

But I will say that if the science is ever settled on when that thing becomes a thinking living human, I will support the rights of that fetus equally to its survival. I do think this part is too easily thrown aside in the debates on this topic. That baby is the one person in all of this that literally has no voice and no option for a choice. And I think it's pretty callous to just brush that fact aside.



I got interrupted at work and couldn't finish my thought. Don't you hate when you are expected to work at work?


Anyway this should be a winning tactic for the Biden admin. I can't see that many people supporting such draconian measures to be able to overcome these kinds of shenanigans.
 
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LogGrad98 said:
Anyway this should be a winning tactic for the Biden admin. I can't see that many people supporting such draconian measures to be able to overcome these kinds of shenanigans.
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Trump is pro-choice. Trump has said that he doesn’t support any national law related to abortion and says the US Constitution codifies that, which he is correct. Trump has also said that if there were a national law he personally hoped it would be to allow abortion with a limit set along the same lines as most European countries, somewhere around 14 weeks. Mostly he thinks this issue should be decided by the people in their states, and if people don’t like the policies of their states then they can move or make travel plans.

Biden is the one who wants a federally imposed mandate, and so far has not been willing to set any limit on when that abortion can be performed. On this issue too, Biden is mohr meatgrinder.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
Trump is pro-choice. Trump has said that he doesn’t support any national law related to abortion and says the US Constitution codifies that, which he is correct. Trump has also said that if there were a national law he personally hoped it would be to allow abortion with a limit set along the same lines as most European countries, somewhere around 14 weeks. Mostly he thinks this issue should be decided by the people in their states, and if people don’t like the policies of their states then they can move or make travel plans.

Biden is the one who wants a federally imposed mandate, and so far has not been willing to set any limit on when that abortion can be performed. On this issue too, Biden is mohr meatgrinder.
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The U.S. Constitution doesn't "codify" anything in regard to abortion. That's what the SC decision means. That the Constitution doesn't explicitly grant abortion rights. That means that either a federal law would need to exist to define abortion rights and/or restrictions or without a federal law that states would regulate abortion on individually.
 
Sardines said:
The U.S. Constitution doesn't "codify" anything in regard to abortion. That's what the SC decision means. That the Constitution doesn't explicitly grant abortion rights.
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100% correct. You are right on the money here.

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That means that either a federal law would need to exist to define abortion rights and/or restrictions or without a federal law that states would regulate abortion on individually.
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You were so close and then fumbled the ball. The piece you are missing is the Tenth Amendment. It speaks specifically to who can do a thing if the U.S. Constitution doesn't explicitly grant power, which you correctly pointed out above, it does not do with abortion rights.
 
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