Romney Fundraiser - Secret Taping
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You have a car. Greedy bastage.
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UGLI baby
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This just isn't true, Dave.
I know you don't like bragging about your good deeds, but I appreciate the $25 you donated to me in poker this weekend and the $30 donation you made to the Uteswinagain foundation.
We'll never know. I was only using those examples in an effort to answer your questions regarding strings being attached. It's obviously a complicated issue.
JAG
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Perhaps it wasn't Obama himself, but in 2008, I distinctly remember hearing HIS WIFE give a speech where she stated "This is the first time in my adult life that I'm proud of my country."
She was 44 at the time. If her husbands nomination (or whatever it was) was the first thing that made her proud of her country, why the heck would I want them in the white house? To me, that was the ultimate insult anyone in the political spotlight can say.
Romney probably shouldn't have said it, but it was definitely a true statement. The democratic party constantly sells a version of socialism that more and more Americans are buying into. Those people will never vote for a party that continues to believe in capitalism. Romney was stating a fact - nothing more.
The welfare programs were designed to help those that really needed it. But in the last 15 years or so it has been abused. I have heard stories of illegals getting benefits while the elderly who have worked their whole lives get nothing. I have heard of families double dipping into these systems (where a mother shows up with kids for (and the children's fingers are pricked and blood taken) and the next day another women shows up with the same children (bandaids on the fingers, blood record as evidence) and the institutions are just suppose to ignore it and prick the other finger. A story on the Today show about a double income family with 4 or 5 kids get like $600 worth of food stamps each month and claim they are scraping by the at the end of each month, having to pour water on their kids cereals (what in the world are they buying with that money? I grew up in a househole of 8 with one income and we made it just fine on $600 a month - sometimes stretching it out to 6 weeks) And I have seen first hand people buying food (mainly junk) on food stamps and then buying beer with their own money, and then walking out and getting into a souped-up escalades. There is an entitlement issue and I don't think it bold of any politician to bring it to light - heck, perhaps he'll even be able to fix some of the corruption in the welfare system.
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I think the real issue is that Romney's vision for the country is the exact opposite of what we need.
We need more regulation on Wall Street, not less.
We need more protection for American goods, businesses, and workers, not less.
We need less free market and more protection.
We need less military, defense spending, threats to Iran, and nation building, not more.
We need higher taxes, not lower. Flat taxes hurt the middle and lower classes. Raise taxes on the rich. It only makes sense to raise taxes on those who can afford it. Duh.
We need more education, help students gain higher levels of education without going thousands of dollars in debt, not less. In fact, the GOP's threats to raise the interest level and cuts to Pell Grants are the exact opposite of what we should be doing. Seriously, how are Americans suppose to compete with Asian and European students when their education is subsidized by the government while many students here either don't go (because they can't afford it) or are saddled with huge amounts of debt. One of the main reasons why we became so strong economically was that many Americans after WWII received the training (during the war) or after (GI Bill) which helped fuel our economy.
We need more government involvement in health care, not less. Get rid of insurance companies altogether. Why should some fat *** CEO be making millions of HC and cutting my benefits when I need them the most?
We need more education in foreign languages, not less. These English Only laws are ridiculous. Americans should be learning AT LEAST Chinese and Spanish. At least. French and Portuguese should be required as well.
We need more government involvement in our banking system, not less. Obviously, the big banks are waaayyyy too big to fail and thus need to be broken up. They won't do so on their own, so that leaves the government the only power available to force these banks to break up.
We need less government involved in social issues, not more. If you oppose gay marriage or abortion, don't get one. The Lord gave us all free agency. If we use it poorly, then we'll eventually pay for it.
We need(ed) more stimulus spending to get our economy on the right track. When private companies don't feel like hiring, SOMEONE needs to pick up the slack. Worrying about our debt and making cuts thus putting more people out of work doesn't fix the economy. It makes it worse. Duh
Lastly, the whole vision of poor, old, students, and black/Hispanic people killing our country is flat out wrong. No one wakes up saying, "gee, I feel like not working today but living off the government's small check forever. Sounds like fun." 99.9 % of Americans would prefer a career over welfare checks. Americans are deferring to government checks because the damn private sector hasn't hired Americans in years. Middle-class folks are becoming poor while poor people are becoming poorer because wages have slid, jobs have been lost, and dreams have been shattered despite promises that "tax cuts" to the "rich" would help us all! Well... I'm waiiitting! When will the "job creators" start creating jobs?
Folks like Romney are killing our country. The big banks, the greedy *** wall street people, the rich who are buying off government, the dudes forcing government contracts for their tanks, jets, and bombs that even the Pentagon doesn't want.
I see the key to rebuilding America starting with getting the middle-class back online. To do that, we need to get millions of Americans back to work and school. Then, we need to focus on health care. Then we need to drastically cut back on our empire. Fewer troops abroad and more folks studying to become doctors, engineers, and teachers.
The way to keep America down, is to continue with the tax cuts for the rich while cutting benefits to the poor. The way to destroy our Democracy here is to continue to "spread" it abroad (wasting billions of our treasury and thousands of our youth). The way to destroy our country is to focus on building "up" the upper 10% while "praying" that eventually they'll give the rest of us some of their wealth.
Again, when have trickle down economics (ever) worked?
If they worked so well, then why has the middle-class disappeared and job creation here sucked so bad over the past 12 years?
We need more regulation on Wall Street, not less.
We need more protection for American goods, businesses, and workers, not less.
We need less free market and more protection.
We need less military, defense spending, threats to Iran, and nation building, not more.
We need higher taxes, not lower. Flat taxes hurt the middle and lower classes. Raise taxes on the rich. It only makes sense to raise taxes on those who can afford it. Duh.
We need more education, help students gain higher levels of education without going thousands of dollars in debt, not less. In fact, the GOP's threats to raise the interest level and cuts to Pell Grants are the exact opposite of what we should be doing. Seriously, how are Americans suppose to compete with Asian and European students when their education is subsidized by the government while many students here either don't go (because they can't afford it) or are saddled with huge amounts of debt. One of the main reasons why we became so strong economically was that many Americans after WWII received the training (during the war) or after (GI Bill) which helped fuel our economy.
We need more government involvement in health care, not less. Get rid of insurance companies altogether. Why should some fat *** CEO be making millions of HC and cutting my benefits when I need them the most?
We need more education in foreign languages, not less. These English Only laws are ridiculous. Americans should be learning AT LEAST Chinese and Spanish. At least. French and Portuguese should be required as well.
We need more government involvement in our banking system, not less. Obviously, the big banks are waaayyyy too big to fail and thus need to be broken up. They won't do so on their own, so that leaves the government the only power available to force these banks to break up.
We need less government involved in social issues, not more. If you oppose gay marriage or abortion, don't get one. The Lord gave us all free agency. If we use it poorly, then we'll eventually pay for it.
We need(ed) more stimulus spending to get our economy on the right track. When private companies don't feel like hiring, SOMEONE needs to pick up the slack. Worrying about our debt and making cuts thus putting more people out of work doesn't fix the economy. It makes it worse. Duh
Lastly, the whole vision of poor, old, students, and black/Hispanic people killing our country is flat out wrong. No one wakes up saying, "gee, I feel like not working today but living off the government's small check forever. Sounds like fun." 99.9 % of Americans would prefer a career over welfare checks. Americans are deferring to government checks because the damn private sector hasn't hired Americans in years. Middle-class folks are becoming poor while poor people are becoming poorer because wages have slid, jobs have been lost, and dreams have been shattered despite promises that "tax cuts" to the "rich" would help us all! Well... I'm waiiitting! When will the "job creators" start creating jobs?
Folks like Romney are killing our country. The big banks, the greedy *** wall street people, the rich who are buying off government, the dudes forcing government contracts for their tanks, jets, and bombs that even the Pentagon doesn't want.
I see the key to rebuilding America starting with getting the middle-class back online. To do that, we need to get millions of Americans back to work and school. Then, we need to focus on health care. Then we need to drastically cut back on our empire. Fewer troops abroad and more folks studying to become doctors, engineers, and teachers.
The way to keep America down, is to continue with the tax cuts for the rich while cutting benefits to the poor. The way to destroy our Democracy here is to continue to "spread" it abroad (wasting billions of our treasury and thousands of our youth). The way to destroy our country is to focus on building "up" the upper 10% while "praying" that eventually they'll give the rest of us some of their wealth.
Again, when have trickle down economics (ever) worked?
If they worked so well, then why has the middle-class disappeared and job creation here sucked so bad over the past 12 years?
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By the way, my 'bet' was Utes by 3 (last Tuesday). What do I win?
Did you end up winning on Friday? Wow. There is a statute of limitations on this whole BYU/Utah debacle, and if you dingle berries don't send me your payment info by the end of the week, then all bets are off.
UGLI baby
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Yes I won. Basically undefeated when not drinking. I tried bumping the thread like 8 times just to make you see. Btw I still don't think I've recovered from the meatballs and the thought crossed my mind you were trying to put me out of commission for The Utes game...