Rumor: Favors and Hayward for D'angello Russell and the #2 pick?

[MilesDeep]

"The only reason why any GM would make this trade is if they feel Favors recent back issues might be an issue in the future and Hayward will not re-sign with the Jazz because he wants to play for a contender or the Jazz don't want to pay him."

I do this trade for these reasons. Favors back issues aren't going away. His torso to leg length ratio increases the likelihood that this is true, and the way he runs pretty much guarantees it. Also, I do believe Hayward will leave. After I make this trade, Russell is traded somewhere for an established "star"ish player, because he is overrated and Exum needs to have the team handed solely over to him whether he proves he can be the man or shows he can't. Our guys are clearly better currently, that isn't even debatable. We will make the playoffs next year with Hayward and Favors. With the other guys, I'd say its about 30% chance. Of course, I believe Burks and Hood are better than most, and Lyles showed a lot of growth both as a defender (still kinda shotty) and a stretch 3 or 4. If Gobert is hurt a lot, neither group makes the playoffs.

 

[fishonjazz]

Last year people were LOL about the idea of moving Favors for Porzingis, another rumor. Now I bet the Knicks wouldn't make that deal.

I was always down with that trade.

I was also down with burks and favors or favors and #5 for wiggins.

I'm down with the proposed trade in the op too.



I went through every team in the league and identified their best player and then looked at how each teams best player was acquired.

Only one was acquired through free agency (LeBron)
Only like 5 or so were acquired through trade.
The rest were all drafted. Our best player was also drafted. But our best player needs to be better.

Therefore we need more good draft picks to give us more shots at a better player than we currently have.

 

[green]

It's simple: do you build around Hayward/Favors or Exum? If it is Exum, then if you can move Hayward/Favors for potential superstars, it's a no brainer. You do it.

If you want to build around Hayward/Favors...well...you're an idiot and will struggle to make the playoffs every year.

That being said, how much do GM's LOVE Lindsey if he makes this deal? He helped GS build the best team ever. He helped OKC beat SA. He helped the Lakers become a contender again (if he trades Hayward/Favors and they sign Durrant).

Oh, and he took a successful small market team and made them completely irrelevant, which makes it easier for large market (i.e., profitable) teams to be successful.

Ha ha.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Curry is an exception, an anomaly. And at least he's super quick. Murray is not very athletic at all.

IDK about that. There have been plenty of players whose pre-draft scouting reports had questions centered around defense. Gordon Hayward and Dante Exum come to mind on our team.

Though I know Exum isnt a good example since he had defensive potential. But plenty of play who werent thought to have defensive potential who turned out to be good defenders.

 

[karl malone]

I wonder if a non-all star player with at least 6 years of experience has ever been traded for a top 2 pick in the draft - at or before the draft. I can't imagine that ever happening outside of that top 2 pick having some major medical condition, drug problem, etc. when a team has a top 2 pick, they expect multiple time all star. of course, that doesn't always happen, but that is the expectation. this is why the Lakers would never do this - the Jazz would essentially be asking for something that has never happened, to happen twice (with Russell being as young as he is) in the same trade.

I agree that this type of trade is uncommon, as well as unlikely, but I think LA would at least consider it (although they would probably ask for an additional piece or 2 such as Burks &/or #12). I imagine that the Lakers would prefer to avoid the multi-year rebuild that they're currently on track for & would do a trade such as this one (though they likely target Butler/George/Cousins/etc first) under the assumption that they would be able to sign a top tier FA to go along with Hayward/Favors.

 

[Jazz4ever]

I wonder if a non-all star player with at least 6 years of experience has ever been traded for a top 2 pick in the draft - at or before the draft. I can't imagine that ever happening outside of that top 2 pick having some major medical condition, drug problem, etc. when a team has a top 2 pick, they expect multiple time all star. of course, that doesn't always happen, but that is the expectation. this is why the Lakers would never do this - the Jazz would essentially be asking for something that has never happened, to happen twice (with Russell being as young as he is) in the same trade.

Like I said the other day, the circumstances would have to be LA getting Durant. They have their number 1 horse, now just need to put a winning team around him while the window is open. Waiting 5 years for Simmons or Ingram doesn't make sense. That's what NY is trying to do with Melo and Porzingis (2nd in ROY voting) and it won't work, they missed the playoffs by a lot.

Do you think the Lakers could find a better deal than Hayward and Favors for the #2? I doubt you can come up with names. For instance, the Bulls wouldn't even give up Butler for the #2.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

Like I said the other day, the circumstances would have to be LA getting Durant. They have their number 1 horse, now just need to put a winning team around him while the window is open. Waiting 5 years for Simmons or Ingram doesn't make sense. That's what NY is trying to do with Melo and Porzingis (2nd in ROY voting) and it won't work, they missed the playoffs by a lot.

Do you think the Lakers could find a better deal than Hayward and Favors for the #2? I doubt you can come up with names. For instance, the Bulls wouldn't even give up Butler for the #2.

You may be right. Probably why #2 isn't going anywhere. If it does go somewhere, it would have to be for an all-star or 1st or 2nd year player trending that direction.

 

[Maneesh]

Everyone here go crazy fro trade that is not even REAL!?!?!! this is not even possible and Lakers won't make it!!!

 

[Bodhi]

I jumped from page 1 to 6, but hell yes I would do this. Neither Hayward or Fav (as much as we love them...well, Fav) are superstars and either of the dudes on the scenario from LA could be. We have VERY limited chances to get that guy. With Favors and Hayward, you're destined to be "a nice team" if no one else emerges or you get lucky beyond belief in the lottery/draft.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I jumped from page 1 to 6, but hell yes I would do this. Neither Hayward or Fav (as much as we love them...well, Fav) are superstars and either of the dudes on the scenario from LA could be. We have VERY limited chances to get that guy. With Favors and Hayward, you're destined to be "a nice team" if no one else emerges or you get lucky beyond belief in the lottery/draft.

You at port I see.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

I was always down with that trade.

I was also down with burks and favors or favors and #5 for wiggins.

I'm down with the proposed trade in the op too.



I went through every team in the league and identified their best player and then looked at how each teams best player was acquired.

Only one was acquired through free agency (LeBron)
Only like 5 or so were acquired through trade.
The rest were all drafted. Our best player was also drafted. But our best player needs to be better.

Therefore we need more good draft picks to give us more shots at a better player than we currently have.

What about second or third options on every team?

I jumped from page 1 to 6, but hell yes I would do this. Neither Hayward or Fav (as much as we love them...well, Fav) are superstars and either of the dudes on the scenario from LA could be. We have VERY limited chances to get that guy. With Favors and Hayward, you're destined to be "a nice team" if no one else emerges or you get lucky beyond belief in the lottery/draft.

This is a pretty near sided post. U completely ignore the other players around both Hayward and Favors, not to mention that Favors has continued to get better and improve every year, and if he takes another jump next year?

We still have 4 others to consider its scary how good this team could be.

1. Exum... Exum is already a good defender as a rookie. He will only get stronger and more explosive. I've also read a lot on him how he's working to improve his shot, and he's got a shot at being special.

2. Hood... Hood is coming off an up and down year, but he's shown potential as a #1 scoring option and a guy u ca give the ball to in crunch time and let him create buckets.

3. Gobert... Gobert is already the best of the best Rim protectors and a very good rebounder who moves well as a 7ft+ person. As we have plenty of offensive minded players around him who are still getting better, he doesn't have to improve much on offense. He is already a superstar defender and rim protector in his third year

4. Lyles... Lyles showed he can put up points at a frantic pace. Most experts at draft time last year felt that in order to be successful, lyles would need to develop an outside shot... Well, that didn't take very long. This year I'm looking to see him take more oppertunities on offense with his floor game as more a triple threat guy and find a post up and face up guy. If he does that he can be elite on offense. As I can see it he is still super young and has only scratched the surface of what he could be.

Then u have to consider guys that round up this team. Guys like Neto, Burks (one of my personal favorites on this team), and Mack.

Neto showed glimpses of a nice backup pg that can put pressure on a defense. There were huge questions about his defense and shooting. I no at one point he was leading all rookies in three point% and was a fine defender. Not elite but above average.

Mack was a surprising source of offense and shot pretty well and great at getting to the hoop and scoring with floaters. Is he perfect? No, but let's consider the fact that he's been a 3rd string his entire career till he got to Utah where he started for the first time ever.

Burks, feel was derailed the last two years by serious injury. I think he's still got room to improve. Two years ago I thought he was getting close to Haywards level. He's made strides in his outside shooting, and all he needs to do is gain confidence to shoot more three's and he will be just fine in that department.

There is a ton of talent on this team, and it's still improving, let's also not forget that if not for all the injury this team would've been in the playoffs. I don't think this can't even be debated. Let's also not forget that we were only a few losses behind Portland even with all of the injury to this team.

Most of u need to open your eyes and realize there aren't many teams as stacked as the Jazz are, and we have at least one more lotto pick in front of us and this org seems to have an eye for talent. Sometimes the grass seems greener on the other side... It's not!! We have potential stars and very potent role players next to them. Let's not shed talent we've worked long and hard to develop for some wait and see risks. We are on the path to contending. Bows not the time to re-rebuild.

 

[fishonjazz]

Hayward and Favors for the #2? I doubt you can come up with names. For instance, the Bulls wouldn't even give up Butler for the #2.

Favors AND hayward for #2?