Rumor that Quin could replace Popovich when he retires

[Sean]

Hopefully Quin leaves. Then maybe Utah can get out of the second round. Quin is a decent regular season coach and a fairly mediocre, if not poor, playoff coach. So, here's hoping!

 

[Ineptimusprime]

Quin’s been fun, but he’s underachieved in the playoffs and everything about this iteration of the Jazz has run it’s course.

I think this could be mutual, honestly.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Agreed on everything but the budget cut part but we have already gone there. I think Quin or Zanick leaving would be a big loss and this clearly gives Quin leverage. I don't think he will be unemployed very long if Smainge fires him.

The favs deal was 100% a budget cut deal and it’s not debatable… that was JZ’s worst move.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

So on the Hoop Collective today they had some speculation on the Jazz here. I largely ignore Windhorst but Tim McMahon had some comments and he's pretty clued in. From what I remember:

- There has been speculation on Quin for a little while now... but stuff is now leaking out.
- He has a contract that runs beyond this year but not sure how long.
- Compared it to Bud leaving the Hawks... kinda just running its course.
- Mentioned again that big changes are coming if we fail to get where we need to.
- Also mentioned how Don loves Quin and if the Quin domino drops look out.

I think the order of changes would be a Quin move, Rudy trade, then what? I honestly think that if we are headed that direction that you just go ahead and tear the whole thing down now so that you don't make a lateral move that just delays the rebuild. If you push all the chips into a rebuild it could be a much faster process and have a much better chance at being built the right way.

9 games and a playoff run gonna decide the fate of the franchise for the next 5-7 years.

 

[infection]

So on the Hoop Collective today they had some speculation on the Jazz here. I largely ignore Windhorst but Tim McMahon had some comments and he's pretty clued in. From what I remember:

- There has been speculation on Quin for a little while now... but stuff is now leaking out.
- He has a contract that runs beyond this year but not sure how long.
- Compared it to Bud leaving the Hawks... kinda just running its course.
- Mentioned again that big changes are coming if we fail to get where we need to.
- Also mentioned how Don loves Quin and if the Quin domino drops look out.

I think the order of changes would be a Quin move, Rudy trade, then what? I honestly think that if we are headed that direction that you just go ahead and tear the whole thing down now so that you don't make a lateral move that just delays the rebuild. If you push all the chips into a rebuild it could be a much faster process and have a much better chance at being built the right way.

9 games and a playoff run gonna decide the fate of the franchise for the next 5-7 years.

10 years from now, there are going to be a lot of people in this organization who will realize how close we were and how much we totally squandered this opportunity. It will be like the person who almost invested in _____.

 

[LogGrad98]

10 years from now, there are going to be a lot of people in this organization who will realize how close we were and how much we totally squandered this opportunity. It will be like the person who almost invested in _____.

Yep. I cashed out my shares of Amazon that I got as signing bonus and from working there in the early days way too soon. Should have just sat on those suckers. But a 300% ROI was good when I cashed it out, but it would be a hell of a lot more than that if I had held it. Oh well. The Corvette was fun while it lasted!

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

10 years from now, there are going to be a lot of people in this organization who will realize how close we were and how much we totally squandered this opportunity. It will be like the person who almost invested in _____.

There are a few failings that I think we can point to...

- Don and Rudy never truly figuring out how to be great teammates.
- Lack of leadership and a tough guy enforcer.
- Quin's lack of adjustments.
- Many stupid fringe moves and salary miscalculations.

Even if we figured out 2 or 3 of those things I'm not sure we ever get where we want.

Unless there is a semi-miraculous change I think dark days are ahead... again... I'd almost prefer they do a full rebuild if they decide to trade Rudy.

 

[LogGrad98]

There are a few failings that I think we can point to...

- Don and Rudy never truly figuring out how to be great teammates.
- Lack of leadership and a tough guy enforcer.
- Quin's lack of adjustments.
- Many stupid fringe moves and salary miscalculations.

Even if we figured out 2 or 3 of those things I'm not sure we ever get where we want.

Unless there is a semi-miraculous change I think dark days are ahead... again... I'd almost prefer they do a full rebuild if they decide to trade Rudy.

If they decide to trade Rudy they better get back enough for a big run. Otherwise, if trading only one of them, it might make more sense to move Mitchell. He has higher perceived value and could net some big assets. Good young players, firsts, etc.

But realistically, I think if you move one of them, then you move both. Blow it up and start over.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If they decide to trade Rudy they better get back enough for a big run. Otherwise, if trading only one of them, it might make more sense to move Mitchell. He has higher perceived value and could net some big assets. Good young players, firsts, etc.

But realistically, I think if you move one of them, then you move both. Blow it up and start over.

I don't think Ryan has the stomach for it. It would look really bad... I don't think he has the stomach to trade the marketable star either. I'm worried the return on a Rudy trade will be pretty meh... then we die a slow death rather than doing a full pivot and raking in premium assets for flipping the switch.

 

[LogGrad98]

I don't think Ryan has the stomach for it. It would look really bad... I don't think he has the stomach to trade the marketable star either. I'm worried the return on a Rudy trade will be pretty meh... then we die a slow death rather than doing a full pivot and raking in premium assets for flipping the switch.

Yeah that is the concern. It is also highly likely, unfortunately, imo. They will ride and die with Mitchell before trading him for nickels on the dollar and he will chase a ring elsewhere while we wallow in mediocre assets and a rough rebuild.

 

[infection]

Yeah that is the concern. It is also highly likely, unfortunately, imo. They will ride and die with Mitchell before trading him for nickels on the dollar and he will chase a ring elsewhere while we wallow in mediocre assets and a rough rebuild.

Don’t forget that Ainge will head for the exits.

“Well, folks. She’s a fine ship. I think you should go down with it.”

 

[gomretat]

My ramblings:
If you want return on a trade and are going to keep one of the stars Donny brings the most in return. Rudy is the hardest to skill to duplicate but if they blow it up it there is likely a complete change of system and approach coming so maybe that doesn't matter. Right now the center position is more important in our system then any other team in the league but I wonder if that syncs with the way Ainge wants to build his team. That simply means that I believe if we are going to trade one of the stars it will be Rudy. If the rumor mill is true, Ryan includes Donny in all kinds of things so I don't think he will every trade Donny, even though I think Donny will walk as soon as he can.