billyshelby
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What the hell was Deron doing in the game in the 4th? Pure stat move. Stupid as hell.
Sacramento Kings @ Utah Jazz: November 22nd, 2010 7:00 MST
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InGameStrategy
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He often does commit stupid fouls, and yes, he's not giving 100% out there (not that anyone does, especially not Jefferson this year). Yet despite the stupid fouls, the poor shooting, and suboptimal effort, Fes led the team in +/-, just like he has done multiple times this season (and previously). If that happens once or twice, it might be a coincidence. More than that is a trend.
It's still not clear to me how much it was Fes's illness, other off-court behavior, or the coaches' ignorance that have kept him off the court. You would hope that a player wouldn't be so cold after repeated near-DNPs, but some of his poor shooting (and other aspects) is attributable to not having minutes in recent games--whatever the reason.
billyshelby
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Miles second quarter tonight was better than his 4th the other night. Alright, maybe not. But he did EVERYTHING in that 2nd. A block, fantastic passing, and all those shots. Just carried the unit on his back.
billyshelby
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Stupid observation: Deron makes tricky behind the back pass in the first to Sap. It's so tricky Sap can't make anything of it. That same pass to Jeff doesn't happen. This does not mean Jeff is bad. But Sap actually handled that pass because he knows Deron, and he knows it's coming. Jeff is going to get to that point. Saw him running a few P&R's tonight that got me excited. We're getting closer.
Darkwing Duck
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There were several Jazz players ahead of Fesenko when plus/minus mattered, namely up to six minutes left in the fourth when Fes decided to pack it in for the night. Whole team kind of did, but Fesenko wasn't on the floor when the Kings made up ten points at the end of the game.
InGameStrategy
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Yeah, Sloan said in the post-game interview that he was protecting against a comeback by the Kings.
That statement is absolutely ridiculous.
When Williams and Bell came in at the 7-1/2-minute mark, Utah was up by 20.
When Jefferson and Millsap came back in at the 3:14 mark, Utah was up by 16.
I don't know what would be scarier, that Sloan believes what he says or that he doesn't believe it but was just giving a lame response.
What was true is that the starters were out there risking injury when they didn't have to be, and young players (mainly Evans) were denied crucial on-court development time, which is indisputably essential to a player's progress.
Oh, and BTW, that "starting" lineup (with Miles instead of Kirilenko) let the game whittle down to an 11-point win.
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InGameStrategy
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You're saying that several Jazz players had a +/- of more than +13 at the 6-minute mark?
And since when does +/- matter at the 6-minute mark, but the last 6 minutes don't matter?
And as I pointed out, the starters took a big chunk of the minutes down the stretch, and they were playing against half Sacramento scrubs. The fact that the Jazz gave up about half of a 20+-point lead against a lineup comprising only a couple of starters does not help your claim.
I think that you're blowing smoke. Besides, Fes doesn't need to lead the team in +/- to warrant more minutes. He had some bad plays tonight, but his overall impact was significant, just as it has been several times this season (during a season in which he has played in only 11 of 15 games), even though his box score was not. That's what centers often do.
As I stated above, unless Jeremy Evans got injured or something, he's the one who should've gotten the last 3 or 4 minutes of the game. And Hayward could've gotten some burn far earlier in the game. I guess I can only take comfort that the coaching staff's obliviousness to player development is not exclusive to Big Fes. This is a game where the bench got the team their lead back and built it even further, which means that it should be a night where players earn more minutes. Elson's and Fes's PT was adequate; but it was a missed opportunity to give the likes of Evans and Hayward more crucial experience.
gregbroncs
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Why did Bell play soo much in this game. That guy needs to be a 20 minute a game player at the most. Cj is far outperforming him and deserves 30 minutes a night.
billyshelby
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When Sloan took CJ out and put Bell in I wondered the same thing. But it does make sense. We need Bell on track, we were in control, and...2) It was another chance to get the whole starting unit minutes. At the end of the half, we were up and Jerry got 4 more minutes of them playing together.
In other words, he wouldn't do the same thing in the 2nd half of the season.
Now don't ask me why Deron set foot on the floor in the 4th. Dumbest move ever.
Darkwing Duck
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Up fifteen with seven to go is not game in hand.
InGameStrategy
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In the post-game interview, DW says that he hasn't had a day off and laments his multiple airballs. Yet Sloan puts him on the court because he's afraid the the Jazz are going to lose the game when they are ahead by 20+ points with 7.5 minutes left. THAT'S POOR COACHING MANAGEMENT.
When asked about the 2nd unit's strength, DW explains that that it's maybe because they have been playing more with each other.
Truth is that the 1st unit of DW-Bell-AK-PM-AJ has played several times more minutes than any other unit.
Furthermore, the second unit that turned a deficit into a double-digit lead is composed of at least two players who are new to the team (Watson, Elson). So maybe DW is trying to cover up for the weak starting lineup (or the coaching decisions), but tonight was just the latest of several games that show that more of Miles and more of the bigs means more net scoring (= points scored - points allowed).