Sacramento Kings @ Utah Jazz: November 22nd, 2010 7:00 MST

[NUMBERICA]

There is a lot to be pissed off about after last night. The worst basketball I've seen in my entire life. Sloan really needs to learn coaching management (?) in Coaching 101.

 

[beantastic]

This game was mega yawn.

Never worried at any point. Refs really let them play though, lots of contact on both ends for most of the night. Really different than officiating before this season, I've seen it a few times this season already... but it's a more like "back in the day" when players could actually bump into each other and there wouldn't instantly be freethrows.

Cousins and some of the other bigs for Sactown looked out of shape. A few players on the Kings barely looked like NBA players.

Lol at the Kings. Also Hayward is a joke. He needs serious time to develop. D League?

Hayward made two great plays where he penetrated and dished the ball one hit Evans right in the gut because he was not paying attention is still lead to a pair (of missed) free throws and the second was to Millsap I think and it bounced off his hands. Sorry that he did not score 12 points in the 4 minutes he was on the floor but some of your bashing is ridiculous. Could he play better yes. Should he have gotten more time to get into the game yes will he develop without getting stable playing time.... that is the question. I don't think the D-League is the answer. Most guys don't actually seem to improve while they are there.

 

[LifeOnaPlate]

You're saying that several Jazz players had a +/- of more than +13 at the 6-minute mark?

And since when does +/- matter at the 6-minute mark, but the last 6 minutes don't matter?

And as I pointed out, the starters took a big chunk of the minutes down the stretch, and they were playing against half Sacramento scrubs. The fact that the Jazz gave up about half of a 20+-point lead against a lineup comprising only a couple of starters does not help your claim.

I think that you're blowing smoke. Besides, Fes doesn't need to lead the team in +/- to warrant more minutes. He had some bad plays tonight, but his overall impact was significant, just as it has been several times this season (during a season in which he has played in only 11 of 15 games), even though his box score was not. That's what centers often do.

As I stated above, unless Jeremy Evans got injured or something, he's the one who should've gotten the last 3 or 4 minutes of the game. And Hayward could've gotten some burn far earlier in the game. I guess I can only take comfort that the coaching staff's obliviousness to player development is not exclusive to Big Fes. This is a game where the bench got the team their lead back and built it even further, which means that it should be a night where players earn more minutes. Elson's and Fes's PT was adequate; but it was a missed opportunity to give the likes of Evans and Hayward more crucial experience.

Yes. The fourth quarter line up decisions seemed idiotic to me. Harpring ventured that maybe they are trying to get DWill some time to find his rhythm before Friday's loss, but I'm not sure that makes sense.

 

[LifeOnaPlate]

There is a lot to be pissed off about after last night. The worst basketball I've seen in my entire life. Sloan really needs to learn coaching management (?) in Coaching 101.

The worst? Didn't you watch the season opener against Denver? That was 10 times worse, and Utah lost to boot.

 

[Shad]

Complain if we win, complain if we lose. Who cares about playing time? WE won

 

[northeast]

I continue to wait for you and anyone else to cite the probability that a team down 15 points (really 16 to 20 points) at 7 minutes left comes back to win. Conservatively, I peg it at 20%, give or take 15%.
https://www.nba.com/suns/playoffs/playoffs2010_r3g4.html

JMO, based on reading this thread, I would estimate that the chances of Sac coming back and winning at that point would be under 4%. JMO.

 

[northeast]

if it was 19 points, then under 2%.

 

[Harcher]

The way to motivate a lineup when they are so-so is not to give them more minutes. Letting Hayward have an extra five minutes is FAR more valuable than letting Bell have an extra 5 minutes, especially when the game wasn't in danger.

In this ever-going debate on why Sloan does what he does, it is usually over who sloan prefers to 'develop.' I don't think that the Hayward over Bell playing is "obvious" in the scenario noted above. It is reasonable to give your STARTER, YOUR BEST DEFENSIVE PERIMITER GUY enough 'reps' to get him acclimated to the system. One thing that has been obvious to me is that Bell was not looking to good to start the season and then is slowly getting into Jazz system or rhythm. So i would keep him motivated. If i were placing priorities right now it would be to 'develop' Bell to his potenial and not Hayward.

 

[One Brow]

Yes, I am going with coaching 101 because my mantra is about common sense that extends to not only the NBA, to not just basketball, and to not merely most team sports, but also to leadership and management in general.

Common sense in one field is sheer stupidity in another field.

I continue to wait for you and anyone else to cite the probability that a team down 15 points (really 16 to 20 points) at 7 minutes left comes back to win. Conservatively, I peg it at 20%, give or take 15%.

Even at 5%, it's high enough to be cautious about.

I saw an unusual absence in your list. The #1 priority of a coach is to win games. Establishing a system, motivating personnel, making adjustments, and developing players are a few of the methods by which this goal can acheived, and every method has the proper time and place. It says so much about your "Coaching" 101 that you didn't list the very first priority.

It seems that Phil Jackson, who has about as many rings as Sloan has fingers, normally subs in the starters when the lead evaporates to 12, 10, or even 8 points.

You can find these substitutions are leads that are all over the place.

Here's a citation of Alvin Gentry leaving the bench players in the game ...

You are hoping Sloan will be as successful as Alvin Gentry has been?

 

[Jazz Spazz]

Some of you dumbasses complaining about Bell's minutes did'nt watch the game I guess. But anyways for your benefit, more on why Bell played those mins tonight:

I dont know who else may have caught this, but Bell got into it with one of Sacramento's Bigs. He set a screen, or did something to Bell, and then Bell came back at him, and gave him a push. He got the foul, but there was quite a bit of talking going on... basically Bell was not going to take any crap from anyone. We need this on our team. We dont get that from Miles, or about anyone else. Quit whining about how many minutes people got, and who was in at the end of the game. Sloan put in the scrubs, and they were not going anywhere, so I could see how Sloan felt he needed to put in the starters. We just couldn't score, even with Miles out there. If you dont score its easy to lose a 20 pt lead in 7 minutes. Go back to coaching your Backyard Basketball games and let it go. We won. W Hello

 

[NCJazz]

The worst? Didn't you watch the season opener against Denver? That was 10 times worse, and Utah lost to boot.

I believe Mr. Numberica is being sarcastic based on the comments from IGS. I think it was little questionable about DWill being in there at the end, but coach was not happy with how they were playing once they got the 20 point lead and clearly those few minutes from Hayward showed we should have take Babbitt, Sanders, George, or Davis. Those guys are killing it this year.

 

[Jeditiger]

IGS sounds like an arrogant prick and needs to go back to clutchfans where he came from.