Sanders is much better than Hayward

[GVC]

He literally was dribbling above his head.

And your credibility continues to erode.

 

[oldtimer]

Ticc
My credibility may have eroded with you, but my memory is pretty good. Here is a quote from Nbadraftexpress from 2001 regarding parker

Enjoyed an outstanding performance in the 2000 Nike Hoop Summit played at Indianapolis on April 2, 2000.
Led the International Select Team with 20 points and seven assists, adding four rebounds and two steals in 30 minutes of play.
In the game, he hit six of 11 field goal attempts and all seven of his free throw attempts.
Teammates for the game included Olumide Oyedeji (Seattle SuperSonics), Neil Fingleton (North Carolina) and 2001 NBA Draft hopefuls Bostjan Nachbar of Slovenia and Goran Cakic of Yugoslavia.
Zach Randolph of the USA Basketball Team scored 24 points to give the USA a 98-97 victory.

According to telebasket.com, he has good fundamentals and skills for the point guard position.
Quick and efficient, he is capable of penetrating to the basket and making the correct pass.
Owns an effective pull-up jumper.

 

[One Brow]

Dwill Mvp

Actually most scouts liked parker and I hated lopez. I had watched tony parker and lopez play and when I watched parker he was just so smooth with the ball and lopez always seemed to be dribbling above his head. I hated the Lopez selection. No 20-20 hindsight required.

While Lopez was in the NBA, even after his knee injuries, he outplayed Parker.

I do not know how you cite the things you do, it took me a week just to get registered on this board. I remember watching espn and they were analyzing Tony Parker and Lopez. They were showing clips of each. Tony Parker's ball handling was amazing and Lopez looked like crap. He literally was dribbling above his head. I also seem to recall that Lopez had hurt his knee a year before and that concerned me. Regardless I wanted Parker.

Lopez did not hurt his knee the first time until after he was drafted.

 

[Edgewriter]

I like your style.

~rubs chin~

Really. I like your style.

You mean:

~rubs chin, loses fingers~

(I've seen your glamor shots)

Look, if Hayward was to average the numbers the OP was saying, he would have a decent career and make 4-5 mil a year as a good role player.

This reminds me of the hype about Punky Brewster when he came onto the team. People on the board called him "Baby Jordan". I made a post telling people that their expectations were more than a bit overboard (In a much more elegant and profound manner than the op BTW) and was lambasted for it.

A few years later, I was proven right. he was a decent role player, but that is all.

Hayward on the other hand, has a different skill set. Though not as athletic as Punky Brewster, he has a much better shot and passing ability. Also he has one thing that Brewster was lacking in his first few years, and that is work ethic. The kid has put on some muscle since the spring and he is a hustler.

I am interested to see how he performs in the preseason.

Also no pillow forts as of yet, so looking good.

 

[oldtimer]

One Brow

That's just crazy talk. Lopez was never better than parker. Not before the draft and not after. He just didn't have the handle. I also question anyone that says Lopez did not have a super high dribble. I watched him play for the Jazz and it bothered me a lot.

 

[One Brow]

One Brow

That's just crazy talk. Lopez was never better than parker.

I understand that to be your opinion. Nevertheless, he outplayed Parker, at lease in the season he went 82 games.

He just didn't have the handle. I also question anyone that says Lopez did not have a super high dribble. I watched him play for the Jazz and it bothered me a lot.

Did it result in turnovers? Bad passes? Ill-considered opinions fed into a confirmation bias? What about it bothered you, specifically?

 

[oldtimer]

One Brow

A high dribble means you are not as quick with the ball and less driving ability. A high dribble can also mean your passes are slower off the dribble. A high dribble means less control. That is what I learned playing point guard in high school.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Everyone raves about Hayward's passing but while he's able, his assists numbers aren't very impressive.

 

[jaytulao]

Everyone raves about Hayward's passing but while he's able, his assists numbers aren't very impressive.

FOR the summer league, it doesn't help if the guy you are passing to cannot convert an open shot nor if hayward even got the chance to handle the ball given that sundiata was a complete hog

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

FOR the summer league, it doesn't help if the guy you are passing to cannot convert an open shot nor if hayward even got the chance to handle the ball given that sundiata was a complete hog

He only had 1.7 assists per game at Butler last year.

 

[Nate505]

He will be a bench player at most. Maybe a dunleavy if we are lucky. Sanders is ok but id much rather have taken luke babbit. Him and dwill would of been unstopable in the pick and roll game. Babbit will be a better pro then g.h. mark it down

Mike Dunleavy Jr. in Indiana once he finally got out of the chaotic awful system that is Golden State:

19 PPG
3.5 APG
5.2 RPG
83% FT
42% 3FG
48% FG
1 steal per game

God, what a horrid outcome that would be!

 

[Nate505]

Babbit has a very good feel for the game. Hayward played in a small college and needs to add alot of weight. He will just be a b ench player his whole nba career while babbit will at very least be a serviceable starter

Hayward's "small" college = trip to the NCAA championship game.

Babbit's large college that is the University of Nevada = trip to the 2nd round of the NIT