anonymous832
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The 13/4/2 prediction and the 20-minute prediction were two separate thoughts, I think. Rookie year: 20 minutes per game. At his best (career-wise): 13/4/2.
Sanders is much better than Hayward
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The 13/4/2 prediction and the 20-minute prediction were two separate thoughts, I think. Rookie year: 20 minutes per game. At his best (career-wise): 13/4/2.
In his rookie year Hayward will be lucky to see the floor. To play as rookie for Sloan you have to be able to play defense i.e. Mathews. Hayward's biggest weakness is his defense.
P.... Rex was right when he said I meant the best he'll ever do in the NBA. I will say this about Hayward as I try to look at the positive side he was much more physical than I thought. He banged well with the big guys under the basket.
P.... Rex was right when he said I meant the best he'll ever do in the NBA. I will say this about Hayward as I try to look at the positive side he was much more physical than I thought. He banged well with the big guys under the basket.
Darkwing Duck
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Shandon Anderson wasn't very good at defense and he played a lot as a rookie.. Only looked like he did because he backed up Jeff Hornacek.
Sirkickyass is right. I had nothing to do with changing people's minds about Hayward. Almost nobody else liked him as a prospect or liked the pick when I was tooting his horn. The only reason people are coming around on him is because people are talking themselves into liking the pick. Let's just hope that I was right about him being a very good NBA player, eh?
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David Stern
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I just like him because he preaches the truth.
David Stern
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No offense OP, I was just being sarcastic in the other thread. But Sanders isn't better at this point than Elder Hayward. I measure a players' success on par with how their team does and how many games they win. Hayward single-handedly lead his team to the National Final last year, where as Sanders did not make the Tournament. That has a lot to do in my mind of how good a player is.
JazzBasketball
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HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAH wow
Id take him over Gordon B. Hayward too.
Stifle Tower
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Better watch those games again, son.
Hayward shot 62% from the field (13-21). And he was very aggressive going after rebounds and loose balls. With Sundiata "Ballhog" Gaines, it's a wonder anyone else got any touches. Hayward had ONE bad game. IMO, Gordon was one of the few looking to run any semblance of the Jazz system, coming out to take the ball, passing it quickly, then running over to his spot on the floor.
If by lack of aggression you mean that Gordon didn't chuck up a bunch of shots, then he's guilty as charged. He pretty much only took open shots. But isn't that EXACTLY what we want our players to do? There's a reason Utah is always near the top of the league in terms of FG%. The Jazz try to get the ball inside FIRST, and the wings either cut to the hoop or take high-percentage shots coming off screens.
Granted, he doesn't appear to have great range from the three. But he was deadly coming off the curl. And he has some moves to/around the hoop. He needs to work on his driving skills - at times he was a little out of control. But is any rookie a finished product? Just watch some footage of Turner or Favors. They were terrible.
BTW, our poster boy of last season, Wesley Matthews, shot 35% in summer league. He was a guy who was borderline to be INVITED to training camp.
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Hearsky
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Way to hedge your bet there pal.
7StraightIsGreat
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Many people were upset with the Hayward pick because this team was void of talent at the 4 and 5. Now that we're deeper into the offseason, the Jazz have Jefferson and I think that makes the pick of Hayward much, much different than it initially was on draft day to most people. KOC was smart enough to realize that all of the "bigs" available at 9 were projects. A big man can take 3 to 4 years to develop in the NBA if they even develop at all. It would have been awful to see KOC draft a big man who wouldn't be ready for a while and see Deron leave in the meantime.
Instead, KOC drafted what he believed was the best player available and ended up securing an already established NBA big man who's still only 25 years old. Add to that, I think Hayward will see a certain amount of success as a rookie. Initially, I think he'll get the minutes vacated by Korver. I think from the get-go Haywards all around game is going to be better than Korver at his best. This will endear him to Jerry and more minutes will follow.
Instead, KOC drafted what he believed was the best player available and ended up securing an already established NBA big man who's still only 25 years old. Add to that, I think Hayward will see a certain amount of success as a rookie. Initially, I think he'll get the minutes vacated by Korver. I think from the get-go Haywards all around game is going to be better than Korver at his best. This will endear him to Jerry and more minutes will follow.
