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Sanders starting to kick some HC... whatever

Joe Bagadonuts said:
I lean right on most issues. That's not the reason I have a problem with Cruz, Trump and Clinton. I think Clinton is a narcissistic liar. I think Trump is an egotistical power hungry idiot. I think Cruz is an accident waiting to happen. The candidate that I feel best about in this election cycle is Kasich. I am trying to learn more about him. He strikes me as an honest man who is sincerely interested in working with both sides in order to accomplish things.
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Fair enough. Personally, I don't really like politicians in general, and see elections for the most part as trying to choose the lesser of evils. Regardless of how I feel about any single issue and which party sees things the way I do, I would always have reservations about supporting any party who is trying to sell trickle down economics. My biggest gripe with the country is corruption among the rich elite and their manipulation of laws in their favor at the expense of the American public. I have no doubts that individuals on both sides are vulnerable to becoming corrupt and abusing their positions for personal gain, but there's no question in my mind which party is more likely to enable such abuse.

I used to participate in these political discussions the first few years after I joined this board, but have intentionally avoided them since then as I have a hard time playing nice with others on such matters that I feel so strongly about. I got into some pretty heated disagreements with a few people here over our invasion of Iraq, and to this day it still absolutely irks me whenever someone defends that decision. Anyway, I am really curious to see how this next election plays out, as I believe the country is ready for a change in parties for the presidency, but doesn't really like the choices the GOP is giving them.

Peace.
 
Siro said:
Can we get a candidate who wouldn't stand in the way of progress (economic AND social), while simultaneously not bomb people/topple regimes to achieve political objectives?
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Were that ever feasible...

Social issues take care of themselves over time. That's the greatest thing about living in this day and age.

Economically? That's a parsed issue. We won't have any progress on that front ever until we start addressing what the real economic issues are, and we won't. It's too hard to sell to a rich population that has their hands out with palms up. We're too distracted with this declining middle class nonsense to target the true economic issues. Meanwhile, we all keep up with the Joneses then complain about how the cost of living (that we create) is too high.

You won't get a candidate who gives us what we need because that's not what politicians are. We get what we deserve and vote for, and currently that's a handout. Cut my taxes, give me free healthcare, don't fix social security, go to war but don't pay for it... Either side of the isle, it's all the same free lunch buffet. There are two parties. The party of something for nothing and the party of nothing for something.
 
Siro said:
Our defense spending is a big reason why there's so much terrorism.
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There would be plenty of terrorism absence defense spending as well. It seems like there is no nuance in the neo-con vs anti-neo-con discussion these days.
 
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Brother Bernie getting arrested for protesting Civil Rights.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news...nders-1963-chicago-arrest-20160219-story.html
 
For those who don't think Trump has a real shot, refer to the recent Calif. gubernatorial election when people thought Arnold Schwarzenegger was a joke candidate. Schwarz won by a landslide in a state that more often swings democrat. Fame is a powerful drug.
 
franklin said:
It's quite possible the left has already created an economic disaster world wide. Japan is in perpetual turmoil, Europe cannot get over their funk... The globe is surviving on USA being the last developed nation holding out plus growth in the underdeveloped nations.

Bernie Sanders supporters want us to join that crowd.
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And Germany?
 
I'm voting for Bernie because he's mastered the art of the trolljob. I like sitting back and imagining him laughing, together with his close advisors, at how ridiculous the horde is. About how ridiculous it is that basic hardline Keynesianism is regarded at catastrophically Left. If you can troll like this, then you can be an excellent Pres IMO.
 
I think I'm voting for Bernie over Hillary because I want absolutely no results over the next 4 years >rolls eyes<
 
franklin said:
Fair enough. However, a strong argument is had that Germany is fully responsible for Greece and other European economic turmoil. Do you want to get into that convo?
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Failed interventions by Germany trying to resuscitate the already flawed economies of other nations does nothing to devalue how Germany's comparatively leftist policies have faulted it into an international power, yet again, despite losing two world wars in the past 100 years.
 
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