Science vs. Creationism

[MVP]

No, fish is not that, if it does not have any legs and/or not move on land.

You do not need fossils for that. Plenty of life forms alive today who have both amphibian and fish features.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqWciuuKn3c

 

[MVP]

more "fish/amphibians"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5O2ZRiIBYs

 

[MVP]

And finally my favorites

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4NzYY66cXk#t=27

 

[One Brow]

verifications?
for the evolutionary theory?
care to elaborate on them?

The existence and location of the naked mole rat was predicted before it was discovered using evolutionry theory. Lenski showed that mutation and selection is suffcient for bacteria to develop completely new abilities. If you go to talkorigins.com, you will find many more examples.

As a proof = verification; I would like to see the remnants of an in-betweener (now extinct formsthat is)
No, fish is not that, if it does not have any legs and/or not move on land.

We have quite a bit on fish-to-amphibian.

https://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional/part1a.html

 

[carolinajazz]

Scientific theories don't get "proven", they get their predictions verified or get disconfirmed. The Theory of Evolution has been tested and verifed many times. It's at least as verified as the Atomic Theory or Heliocentric Theory.

Again, the Theory of Evolution has been verified many times, in many different ways.

I posted this earlier in this thread I think, but it bares repeating since One Brow repeats a lot of his stuff as well!

In the book A View of Life, by evolutionists Luria, Gould and Singer, states that “evolution is a fact,” and asserts: “We might as well doubt that the earth revolves about the sun, or that hydrogen and oxygen make water.”

It also declares that evolution is as much a fact as the existence of gravity. But it can be proved experimentally that the earth revolves around the sun, that hydrogen and oxygen make water, and that gravity exists.

Evolution CANNOT be proved experimentally. Indeed, these same evolutionists admit that “debate rages about theories of evolution.” But do debates still rage about the earth revolving around the sun, about hydrogen and oxygen making water, and about the existence of gravity? No. How reasonable is it, then, to say that evolution is as much a fact as these things are?

 

[silesian]

Joking

Well even in the story of the fish evolving into a human, the fish who randomly grows two arms has to crawl out of the water and mate with a land creature...so your view has to at least have a simultaneous evolution of land and sea creatures.

Please tell me that you are joking. Restore my faith in humanity. Pretty please.

 

[One Brow]

Evolution CANNOT be proved experimentally. Indeed, these same evolutionists admit that “debate rages about theories of evolution.” But do debates still rage about the earth revolving around the sun, about hydrogen and oxygen making water, and about the existence of gravity? No. How reasonable is it, then, to say that evolution is as much a fact as these things are?

Debate continues to rage about the nature of gravity (and therefore heliocentrism) and about teh nature of quantum effects (therefore about the nature of atoms).

Evolution has been tested as thoroughly as gravity, atomic theory, and heliocentrism. It is highly irrational to accept the last three and not the first.

 

[babe]

You do not need fossils for that. Plenty of life forms alive today who have both amphibian and fish features.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqWciuuKn3c

My ranch is on a delta of a sometimes creek/sometimes dry wash. A lot of farms in the area are like this. When the floods come, our frogs come out and start croaking. The do the same thing the lungfish do, burrowing down in the mud as things dry out, waiting for the next flood, sometimes four years later. . .

 

[babe]

I posted this earlier in this thread I think, but it bares repeating since One Brow repeats a lot of his stuff as well!

In the book A View of Life, by evolutionists Luria, Gould and Singer, states that “evolution is a fact,” and asserts: “We might as well doubt that the earth revolves about the sun, or that hydrogen and oxygen make water.”

It also declares that evolution is as much a fact as the existence of gravity. But it can be proved experimentally that the earth revolves around the sun, that hydrogen and oxygen make water, and that gravity exists.

Evolution CANNOT be proved experimentally. Indeed, these same evolutionists admit that “debate rages about theories of evolution.” But do debates still rage about the earth revolving around the sun, about hydrogen and oxygen making water, and about the existence of gravity? No. How reasonable is it, then, to say that evolution is as much a fact as these things are?

facts are stubborn things. They are what they are. The entire problem with any fact is how we abuse it, mangle it, distort it, color it, and so forth. We imagine it means or is what it doesn't mean, or isn't. . . .

 

[MVP]

My ranch is on a delta of a sometimes creek/sometimes dry wash. A lot of farms in the area are like this. When the floods come, our frogs come out and start croaking. The do the same thing the lungfish do, burrowing down in the mud as things dry out, waiting for the next flood, sometimes four years later. . .

yup, lots of amphibians estivate. Just another proof of connection between them and fish.

 

[carolinajazz]

yup, lots of amphibians estivate. Just another proof of connection between them and fish.

....but not "evolution".....since the frogs/amphibians never "change" into anything else....fish, turtles, snakes, alligators, etc. etc. etc. They stay within the Genesis "kinds" that prevents that from occurring!

 

[MVP]

....but not "evolution".....since the frogs/amphibians never "change" into anything else....fish, turtles, snakes, alligators, etc. etc. etc. They stay within the Genesis "kinds" that prevents that from occurring!

No, you are wrong as always. Amphibians evolved from fish. Living examples today perfectly illustrate that. Why then Axolotl woulds still have gills? Why most of amphibians go through metamorphosis where their larval forms have gills and live in the water? Why then lungfish or mudskippers would be able to survive on land for prolonged times?
That you do not see in few years what happened in millions of years does not mean it did not happen. Evidence is obvious. Same like in crime scene - you do not need to observe car hitting and killing pedestrian to know what happen when you see broken car and dead body on the road. But analysis of car damage, impact, autopsy of corpse, etc gives you perfect ( and truthful!) idea how that happened. Same with evolution. Stop being ignorant.