You have an extremely short memory.
Shams: Utah and Lauri expected to agree to long term deal
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You have an extremely short memory.
One of the most valuable if he’s not a true max contract, at least. There are quite a few better players than him.
Definitely better players, but probably not a ton at his age + with that many years of team control. But yes I'm sure there's a handful at the least.
And, I think most will hate this....but I love the unconventional.
In a trade with the Pels I would offer Collins and the Pels the 2025 Utah pick if the Jazz fall in the 8 or 9 position only. That is just outside the all-star range and we save all the other picks and it would be super enticing to the Pels and the Jazz organization would motivated to be 7th or worst and the lottery could also save the Jazz from conveying (or wreck things too).
In a trade with the Pels I would offer Collins and the Pels the 2025 Utah pick if the Jazz fall in the 8 or 9 position only. That is just outside the all-star range and we save all the other picks and it would be super enticing to the Pels and the Jazz organization would motivated to be 7th or worst and the lottery could also save the Jazz from conveying (or wreck things too).
Most people would say he’s a top 20-40 player. I’ll have to dig into the question deeper but know for sure he’ll be more valuable if he’s sub-max. Shooting from the hip, it’s hard for me to believe he’s a tier-1 value piece on a true max since he’s not a creator and he’s only been good on bad teams (or so the conventional wisdom would say, at least).
OK.
I said "one of the most valuable assets" - not top 5, 10, etc. You're getting awful hung up on semantics here.
If you don’t want to lose in an argument with words you’re using, then use better words.
What are you saying, then? He’s a valuable piece, but the difference between “valuable” and “most valuable” is the difference between an all-star and a perennial MVP candidate.
He’s valuable on a true max, he might be one of the most valuable on a sub-max. We’re back to where we started.
OK, internet dork.
It behooves everyone involved (teams, players, agents, media) to report the contract as generously as possible. The dollar amount would be closer to $250M if Lauri got everything possible, I'm guessing that Shams would have reported it as "close to $250M" or whatever if that was the case.
Lauri can take less money by:
1) Taking less than the maximum amount possible for next season, which would give us more cap space this summer but it would need to be used before the season.
2) Taking the maximum amount of money this year, but taking less money in future years than maximum.
I'm guessing we're going option 2, and that's great for us. I'm sure I'll get killed for this, but Lauri on a full max has some small non-zero chance of that contract not looking pretty. These third contracts are not the fun maxes., some of these contracts signed have gone haywire. I'm not expecting Lauri's to go that direction, but it looks like the Jazz have put in good work to somewhat protect themselves from that.
Lauri can take less money by:
1) Taking less than the maximum amount possible for next season, which would give us more cap space this summer but it would need to be used before the season.
2) Taking the maximum amount of money this year, but taking less money in future years than maximum.
I'm guessing we're going option 2, and that's great for us. I'm sure I'll get killed for this, but Lauri on a full max has some small non-zero chance of that contract not looking pretty. These third contracts are not the fun maxes., some of these contracts signed have gone haywire. I'm not expecting Lauri's to go that direction, but it looks like the Jazz have put in good work to somewhat protect themselves from that.
Back of napkin math:
$42.2 M for this season, this means $160M over the following four seasons to get "upwards of $200M".
Let's just assume it's a flat deal at $40M, but in theory it can be even less with descending. I have heard that the hoop collective guys speculated it would be descending, but haven't listed to their podcast myself. If it's a flat $40M each year, that would be $17M less than his maximum amount in year 5. $17M would be about 8% of the cap and his $40M yearly salary would be less than 20% of the cap in year 5, so that's a big deal.
$42.2 M for this season, this means $160M over the following four seasons to get "upwards of $200M".
Let's just assume it's a flat deal at $40M, but in theory it can be even less with descending. I have heard that the hoop collective guys speculated it would be descending, but haven't listed to their podcast myself. If it's a flat $40M each year, that would be $17M less than his maximum amount in year 5. $17M would be about 8% of the cap and his $40M yearly salary would be less than 20% of the cap in year 5, so that's a big deal.
An article earlier today said the max that we can give him over the following 4 seasons is around $188mil. I would expect it to be pretty close to that number. If I'm the jazz though I would try and make it a descending contract which is a benefit to Lauri and the jazz going forward. Lauri gets more of his money faster to invest and we end up in a better situation salary cap wise in a few years when we have to start extending some of our young guys.