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Some random shaq thoughts from a old jazz-bulls game i rewatched:
- True PG, showing willingess to get teammates in involved.
- Loves driving to the bucket and showing athleticism on finishes.
- I was hoping to see him matched up against Donovan defensively but it didnt happen. He did show a willingness to fight over screens and contest shots.
- a bit limited offensively.

Overall I think he is a nice change of pace from a guy like Jordan Clarkson.
 
framer said:
Ronnie Price had a 12 year NBA career. Shaq can only dream of that at this point. . .
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Okay, my missed attempt at humor not withstanding, how would you compare their first three years?
 
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idiot said:
Just going by what I saw in watching Shaq's shots, it seems like lots of his playing time was in garbage time last year.
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I've kept in eye on Shaq since his first season in PHX. What's concerning about Shaq is that the one season he had a regular role, he was pretty bad. Defensive activity was still there, but he was one of the worst offensive players in the league that was regularly playing in 18/19. I was ready to call his first stint with PHX (all tanking time minutes) a fluke but then he more or less did the same thing last season in CHI. He played really well in (mostly) tanking time minutes again.

So what is all that worth? I think he's definitely worth a flier and I probably would have given him a shot at more than minimum given our needs. The competition between he and Oni will be good. I like our chances that one of them pans out.

The wildcard is that he's never been on a decent team with structure. Hopefully playing with the Jazz will be good for him, but I have concerns that his wildness won't mesh and he'll end up taking away from the other players too much on offense. He needs to embrace that Royce mentality where all he does is shoot wide open shots. Maybe he can work on being an active cutter too.
 
I'm hopeful for Shaq, but it amazes me that Hollinger thought he was a better signing than Favors (and would have valued both at similar salaries this year). Seems like an overreliance on (limited sample size) advanced stats.
 
idiot said:
I'm hopeful for Shaq, but it amazes me that Hollinger thought he was a better signing than Favors (and would have valued both at similar salaries this year). Seems like an overreliance on (limited sample size) advanced stats.
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Yeah...if he didn't get some tank time minutes at the end of last year, I wonder how much of this online hype would still be here. Luckily for him he did get another chance and made the most of it, but there's a large overlap in people who highly value advanced stats and love Shaq. I am one of these people, but anyone who uses advanced stats as a core part of analysis should have a red flag on the sample size. Even the basic stuff like his 3FG% last year should obviously be taken with a grain of salt. He made half of his 3's in a span of two games. I mean, his jump shooting was worse than Favors in the one year he had a regular, consistent role.
 
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I've kept in eye on Shaq since his first season in PHX. What's concerning about Shaq is that the one season he had a regular role, he was pretty bad. Defensive activity was still there, but he was one of the worst offensive players in the league that was regularly playing in 18/19. I was ready to call his first stint with PHX (all tanking time minutes) a fluke but then he more or less did the same thing last season in CHI. He played really well in (mostly) tanking time minutes again.

So what is all that worth? I think he's definitely worth a flier and I probably would have given him a shot at more than minimum given our needs. The competition between he and Oni will be good. I like our chances that one of them pans out.

The wildcard is that he's never been on a decent team with structure. Hopefully playing with the Jazz will be good for him, but I have concerns that his wildness won't mesh and he'll end up taking away from the other players too much on offense. He needs to embrace that Royce mentality where all he does is shoot wide open shots. Maybe he can work on being an active cutter too.
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I mostly agree, but attacking the defense can create useful, destabilizing churn that does not necessarily take away from others and might help create looks. The problem with shooting stanchions on offense is that they are a variable easy to gameplan a defense for.
 
Probably gonna open up a can of worms with this comparison but his defense reminds of Delonte West before he went bonkers - good hands, good instincts and deceptive length. Good close out guy on the perimeter.

His three point mechanics made me puke - flashbacks of Ronnie Brewer.
 
idiot said:
I'm starting to see Shaq as filling a slightly different lane than Oni or Royce. All can be involved in switching 1-4. But I think each has optimal assignments:
Shaq: PGs & SGs
Oni: SGs & SFs
Royce: SFs & (some) PFs
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Man, I wish at least one of them was taller than 6'5". Oh well.
 
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