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Should Cody spend time in the G LEAGUE

Should Cody Williams get sent down to the Stars for a stint?

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Cody was good at scoring (efficiently) in college, but he was also one of the least effective guys amongst the top guys. COL was actually pretty stacked and had multiple pros + great college players. He was in a really good situation to be the 5th best player.

I remember this post I made from a long time ago. RAPM SSS caveats of course, but he wasn't that good (compared to other prospects) at Colorado.

KqWIN said:
RAPM for top 30 (tankathon) NCAA prospects

1. Edey - 14.5
2. Clingan - 9.9
3. Sheppard - 9.6
4. Shannon Jr - 8.5
5. Knecht - 8.2
6. Carter - 8.0
7. Filipowski - 8.0
8. Homes II - 7.4
9. Kolek - 7.1
10. McCullar - 7.0
11. Castle - 6.7
12. Dillingham - 6.2
13. da Silva - 6.1
14. McCain - 5.8
15. Walter - 5.5
16. Ware - 5.3
17. Tyson - 4.6
18. Missi 4.6
19. Furphy 4.5
20. Dunn 4.3
21. Collier 3.9
22. Jones 3.4
23. Williams 2.3

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SoberasHotRod said:
Why do you say he was bad in college? He wasn't amazing, but was very good for a Freshman. Here are his game logs and when I compare these against the Freshman this year, he compares pretty well to all, but the top 4 or 5 guys. For sure he limped to the finish line with a very unproductive end of the season, but the majority of his games were very impressive for a Freshman.

Cody Williams Game Log - College Basketball | FOX Sports

Find detailed Cody Williams game log and daily statistical college basketball results on FOXSports.com.
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3.9 BPM is absolutely horrific for a first-round pick, one of the worst BPMs of any player picked in the top 10 ever.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
What is the formula for calculating BPM and how does that calculation get effected by Cody's situation at Colorado last year?
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Don't know how specific you would like to be, but the idea of BPM is to use box score numbers to predict APM (adjusted plus minutes). Can get more detailed if you'd like, but that's the important part. I don't necessarily know what was so unique about Cody's situation at COL, but nothing really jumps out as a reason to think his situation was extra favorable or unfavorable.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
What is the formula for calculating BPM and how does that calculation get effected by Cody's situation at Colorado last year?
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This is an example done with LeBron.

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It is then adjusted for position and role (to reduce the BPM of ball handlers) and subtracted by around 8.

Basically, BPM really hated that Cody Williams made few threes, got few blocks or steals or rebounds, and had a lot of turnovers and didn't have high volume scoring.

These coefficients are taken from a regression using RAPM as the dependent variable and the box score statistics as the independent variable to try to determine how valuable getting a stat in each is.
 
slc said:
Jazz just have to chalk this up as a throw away year for Cody and just hope for major improvement next year
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With his shot coming in broken and his body not ready, he can't currently do anything positive offensively on the court. I suppose if he figures his shot out at some point you can start playing him and getting him defensive reps.
 
KqWIN said:
Don't know how specific you would like to be, but the idea of BPM is to use box score numbers to predict APM (adjusted plus minutes). Can get more detailed if you'd like, but that's the important part. I don't necessarily know what was so unique about Cody's situation at COL, but nothing really jumps out as a reason to think his situation was extra favorable or unfavorable.
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I just know that BPM is team adjusted and Cody had a smaller role on a team filled with older players. I thought maybe that could have made that stat look worse for him.
 
HadAnEffectHere said:
This is an example done with LeBron.

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It is then adjusted for position and role (to reduce the BPM of ball handlers) and subtracted by around 8.

Basically, BPM really hated that Cody Williams made few threes, got few blocks or steals or rebounds, and had a lot of turnovers and didn't have high volume scoring.

These coefficients are taken from a regression using RAPM as the dependent variable and the box score statistics as the independent variable to try to determine how valuable getting a stat in each is.
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Thanks. I don't think it's accurate to say Cody was bad in college. He was efficient in a small role. I think it's more fair to say that because his role was so small we had to guess more on his projections in the NBA. Because his role was so mall he didn't pop out as a talent outlier via BPM which should have been a red flag.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
With his shot coming in broken and his body not ready, he can't currently do anything positive offensively on the court. I suppose if he figures his shot out at some point you can start playing him and getting him defensive reps.
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Cody did have a couple of steals late in the 4th quarter of the Stars OT loss so there's that.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
I just know that BPM is team adjusted and Cody had a smaller role on a team filled with older players. I thought maybe that could have made that stat look worse for him.
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More good players is more people who take the credit, but there should be more credit to go around. Should be a wash. Cody's BPM wasn't low because of his role/usage or his team, it's because he is basically a zero stats player outside of scoring.

Compared to all college players, Cody was a good player. Compared to first round prospects, he was easily one of the worst performers. Not only was his BPM one of the lowest, but his RAPM was one of the lowest. So both the box score numbers and the pure +/- would indicate that he was poor relative to his peers.
 
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