Should Obama stop this?

[Stoked]

You'll find that Unibrow is actually one of the biggest trolls on this site.

Im open for talking with anyone as long as they actually try to talk instead of sensationalise. One Brow stopped that. So I ignored him.

 

[TroutBum]

So many parents just don't parent their kids. They treat them as they would coworkers and friends. That's not what they need folks.

Being involved in both serving at a restaurant and working in public education, I've seen this time after time after time.

So many parents (at least half) ask their kids what they want to drink. Of course, children will go for the most unhealthy drink/expensive on possible/whatever their parents ordered. You'd be surprised how many kids (under the age of 8) order Coke. Seriously?

Kids already have problems sitting still. Loading them up with caffeine? Not a great idea.

I've noticed a huge difference between that, letting kids have full reign, and those families where the parents offer OPTIONS. Even better, HEALTHY options. milk or orange juice? Giving these kids structure and treating them as CHILDREN goes a long way.

You'd be surprised how many parents just let their kids run around, trash the restaurant, do whatever they want....

The perfect example was this young family viisiting from Jersey. While eating, their young child had spilled a few things on the floor. It wasn't real dirty. I later saw their father picking up the crumbs off the floor. I went over there and told him to not worry about it and that I would sweep it up. He said that it was too embarrassing. The father, took pride in his work. The parents, did not let their kids do whatever they wanted. They were *gasp* actually involved!

Interestingly enough, their children were the most orderly children I've ever seen at the restaurant. Gee, I wonder why

In public education, it's even more obvious. The children with structure, have much more respect, are success oriented, and actually give a damn.

Those others without parenting, without discipline, without structure, WITH all of these excuses err social/learning disorders, are problems. Then, they have excuses to not be involved in any sport, any organization, any learning opportunity because ber her her they're disabled and will always need to be "handed out" something in life. They can't actually STRIVE for it and ACCOMPLISH anything because of x disorder.

Parenting isn't as complicated as so many of you want it to be.

Like a coach to a sports team, children need to know what's expected, that you actually care, need to have structure, and need to be taught to strive. If one truly has a learning disorder, don't just wave the white flag and surrender. But FIGHT.

One last example, this friend of mine was diagnosed with two significant learning disorders. One, involved her ability to focus and read. Difficult to sit and study when you struggle to read! Instead of stuffing her face with pills or waving the white flag, she fought through it. She decided she would do anything for her HS dilpoma. She and her parents worked together. She talked to teachers, who would closely with her. She got it.

She's now about done with college.

Awesome.

It's amazing what can be accomplished with a little mental toughness, structure, and hard work.

That was actually a pretty good rant, and I agree with most of it. However, while I applaud your friend and those who can just work through it, there are those of us who simply can't work through it. I've often wondered what causes homeless people to become homeless, or to sit on the side of the road with a cardboard sign begging for change. I've always thought, "They didn't grow up thinking 'I am going to be a BUM when I get older!'" -- so what happened? Of course, there are a lot of factors, but I imagine a lot of it is personality traits, mental disorders, and plain old bad habits that couldn't be broken. Clearly, these people couldn't just work through it, and I wonder what some of them would be like today if they had had some of the medical advancements that we enjoy. (or mock) Personally, I will never mock anyone who takes a pill to help them succeed. If there was an anti-lazy pill out there, I'd be the first in line to buy it, and I'd snort that **** like it was my job. /sigh

Anyhow, I'm done. LOL @ Indians or something.

 

[One Brow]

Treat a child like what? Tell me, where did I say I would treat an autism-spectrum child in any specific manner that would give you cause to weep?

If you tried to surmount autism-spectrum disorder with discipline, the child would suffer horribly. Autism is not ADHD.

 

[One Brow]

You'll find that Unibrow is actually one of the biggest trolls on this site.

In other words, I diesagree with Scat regularly.

 

[One Brow]

Im open for talking with anyone as long as they actually try to talk instead of sensationalise. One Brow stopped that. So I ignored him.

I followed the conversation where you dragged it. Bringing in the banal and irrelevant notion of parental discipline into a discussion of autism-spectrum disorders was sensationalization.

 

[Scat]

If you tried to surmount autism-spectrum disorder with discipline, the child would suffer horribly. Autism is not ADHD.

Define discipline. You seem to be taking in a very specific direction.

 

[One Brow]

Define discipline. You seem to be taking in a very specific direction.

Imposition of a behavior through negative reinforcement.

What did you have in mind?

 

[bordelais7]

If you tried to surmount autism-spectrum disorder with discipline, the child would suffer horribly. Autism is not ADHD.

I thought that the original point was that "Autism" is not Autism. It's over-diagnosed (although not nearly as badly as ADHD).

 

[Stoked]

I thought that the original point was that "Autism" is not Autism. It's over-diagnosed (although not nearly as badly as ADHD).

That was the original point. Bad parenting and no discipline are often just given a pass under some type of disaiblity. Not saying those disabilities do not exist becasue they pdviously do but alot of cases are just crap. For proof just look at the sky rocketing rate of ADHD, Autism...cases over the last few years.

 

[One Brow]

I thought that the original point was that "Autism" is not Autism. It's over-diagnosed (although not nearly as badly as ADHD).

There are certainloy high-functioning varities of autism, where people don't need to be treated as if they had a disability. Does that make it over-diagnosed? Are you (or Sca5) saying that of the various markers used to diagnose autism, we need to apply more of them for a diagnosis, or apply them differently? Which markers?

 

[One Brow]

Not saying those disabilities do not exist becasue they pdviously do but alot of cases are just crap. For proof just look at the sky rocketing rate of ADHD, Autism...cases over the last few years.

Is the skyrocketing rate a case of worse diagnosis or better recognition?

I don't know many details on ADHD. Autism is associated with things like genetic markers and increased nerve counts in the cerebral cortex. You think those are caused by bad parenting and no discipline?

 

[babe]

There are certainloy high-functioning varities of autism, where people don't need to be treated as if they had a disability. Does that make it over-diagnosed? Are you (or Sca5) saying that of the various markers used to diagnose autism, we need to apply more of them for a diagnosis, or apply them differently? Which markers?

I think they are saying that the number of cases of "autism" is a function of expanding the list of markers and not requiring any consistency in observation of or interpretation of those "markers", or in other words that the markers we use may not actually relate to the pathology or cause or indicate some plausible "cure". It's a huge windfall for the psychiatric industry as well as Big Pharma to do business this way.

Problems still exist with the DSM-IV system. The criteria are less stringent than the ICD-10 research criteria and are therefore more inclusive. Among the disorders, autistic disorder is the most clearly defined, while AD and PDD NOS are less so. Diagnosing AD is extremely difficult if the DSM criteria are strictly followed, because many affected children also meet the criteria for autism (22,23). The criteria for PDD NOS are even less well delineated. Parents and clinicians tend to drop the NOS and refer to children in this group as suffering from PDD. This diagnosis is not specific and creates many false positives, with ramifications not only for research but also for service providers and schools. However, there is a high degree of international consensus regarding concepts about autism, compared with other psychiatric conditions.

https://ww1.cpa-apc.org/Publications/Archives/CJP/2003/september/tidmarsh.asp