sick of being treated like the nba's step child

[HermanG]

Philly shamelessly tanked for years, and the spurs held out David Robinson the whole year. He didn’t suffer a season ending injury, also GS shamelessly yanked to take our pick away. There are plenty more examples.

All bad examples. Philly did tank shamelessly but they are running on fumes with only 2nd round exits to show for. Spurs were a deep playoff run caliber team before they tanked and GSW also had the splash brothers in their roster before they tanked, and the funniest part was that they got their missing pieces in the 2nd round.

I guess I dont need those "plenty more examples" even since your prime examples are all so horrible and none of them even compares to what you want except Philly, who hasnt even gotten to the conference finals after all those years of shameless tanking.

 

[HermanG]

Not sure what your point is but ok

Wow... really? You call for "multiple years of tanking" and use Spurs as evidence of it being a good idea. And you cannot see how there is a disconnect in your logic.....

I mean I can give you a 3 point hint if you want.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

That is partially true, but it doesnt apply to other Miami-based sport franchises so its not the entire truth.

Also another franchise with something similar to Heat culture is the Patriots, and while Boston is a big city its not the jetset destination for the ages, the weather isnt great and afaik their income taxes arent competitive with Miami either. The Steelers and Ravens also share a similar culture of grit and toughness, even if they have less Super Bowl appearances and wins to show for it (being in the same conference with the Patriots and the Chiefs being the biggest reason probably).

Both Heat and Patriots have in common the fact that they bring in a lot of undrafted guys who turn successful. I think the main key about both of those cultures is that they prefer guys who have a huge chip on their shoulder for whatever reason, and who are therefore more driven to work hard and more dedicated to winning. But it all starts from the top. The coaches (Spo, Belichick, Harbaugh, Tomlin), owners and GMs are all 100% dedicated to the culture.

What you are right about is that playing and living in some of the super depressing cities is a massive hill to climb for those franchises.... which is why its great we own both Minnesota and Cleveland drafts over the next 5-6 years.

The NFL is not the NBA

 

[HermanG]

The NFL is not the NBA

Why does that matter for the topic of organizational culture?

 

[whatthe]

The foundation of the team should be most talent with the least amount of dollars. And in the process retain your high level stars. For Lauri the Jazz can go either way, but my preference would be 1st get and obscene return for him, if not then keep him/renegotiate. For the Jazz, if they got draft assets, then they would have an endless supply of cheap, depth pieces for a team. I would prefer that and hope that 2 or three talents explode in the process. It would the most dollar efficient strategy and with the new CBA it would be a huge advantage over most other teams.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Wow... really? You call for "multiple years of tanking" and use Spurs as evidence of it being a good idea. And you cannot see how there is a disconnect in your logic.....

I mean I can give you a 3 point hint if you want.

Ok which of the multiple times the jazz did a short rebuild help the jazz be contenders? It doesn’t work for a small market, you need to be patient and build through the draft to build a core, then you make a big trade with the many assets you’ve acquired. This needs to be a three or four year process. You just want the jazz to make the same damn mistake again and do the same thing that hasn’t worked in the past and left the jazz in purgatory with no way to improve until they decide to blow it up again and start all over. It’s like a bad nightmare.

I want things to be better. I want to be relevant for the first time since the mid to late 90s

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Ok which of the multiple times the jazz did a short rebuild help the jazz be contenders? It doesn’t work for a small market, you need to be patient and build through the draft to build a core, then you make a big trade with the many assets you’ve acquired. This needs to be a three or four year process. You just want the jazz to make the same damn mistake again and do the same thing that hasn’t worked in the past and left the jazz in purgatory with no way to improve until they decide to blow it up again and start all over. It’s like a bad nightmare.

I want things to be better. I want to be relevant for the first time since the mid to late 90s

Who are we tanking for this year?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Ok which of the multiple times the jazz did a short rebuild help the jazz be contenders? It doesn’t work for a small market, you need to be patient and build through the draft to build a core, then you make a big trade with the many assets you’ve acquired. This needs to be a three or four year process. You just want the jazz to make the same damn mistake again and do the same thing that hasn’t worked in the past and left the jazz in purgatory with no way to improve until they decide to blow it up again and start all over. It’s like a bad nightmare.

I want things to be better. I want to be relevant for the first time since the mid to late 90s

The last short rebuild yielded a team that became a #1 seed. I am pro-tank in general, but there are many recipes to find success (and failure).

this year's draft seems fairly flat in the top 5-8. I'd still rather draft higher and get our guy but I won't be too hurt if we end up losing our pick or getting a 7-9th pick this year. Next year is the year to do a full tear down and move Lauri if you can't put another star around him. I would do it this year for a big, big trade package.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

The last short rebuild yielded a team that became a #1 seed. I am pro-tank in general, but there are many recipes to find success (and failure).

Yes those teams were always a great regular season team that particular year was helped by the fact that we got off to such a fast hot start. Then look how we crapped all over our selves in the playoffs. Those teams were such fools golf

this year's draft seems fairly flat in the top 5-8. I'd still rather draft higher and get our guy but I won't be too hurt if we end up losing our pick or getting a 7-9th pick this year. Next year is the year to do a full tear down and move Lauri if you can't put another star around him. I would do it this year for a big, big trade package.

If we are being honest with our selves. It would help in the long run to trade Lauri if we get a block buster offer

 

[silesian]

The small market teams are essentially farm teams for the big market teams. This is pretty well-established by now.

That’s why the spurs and bucks will never get a title and the Nets, Knicks, and Clippers dominate every year.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Yes those teams were always a great regular season team that particular year was helped by the fact that we got off to such a fast hot start. Then look how we crapped all over our selves in the playoffs. Those teams were such fools golf

If we are being honest with our selves. It would help in the long run to trade Lauri if we get a block buster offer

I’ve given you a lot of **** the last few weeks but want you to know I don’t think you are wrong here with the Lauri thought. You really can’t tank the next 2.5 years with him on the roster… so if you don’t believe you can build something around him then that needs to be on the table. I’m just not gonna root hard for losses at this point. I don’t see the all star trade appearing at this point. Closest we would get is Lavine or Dejounte Murray. Not sure what that does for us.

Even if we pulled the plug and traded Lauri we’d be in a better spot than Detroit/Charlotte/and other perpetual bottom feeders because we’d have like 15 firsts and already a few promising young players in the pipeline.

 

[HermanG]

Ok which of the multiple times the jazz did a short rebuild help the jazz be contenders? It doesn’t work for a small market, you need to be patient and build through the draft to build a core, then you make a big trade with the many assets you’ve acquired. This needs to be a three or four year process. You just want the jazz to make the same damn mistake again and do the same thing that hasn’t worked in the past and left the jazz in purgatory with no way to improve until they decide to blow it up again and start all over. It’s like a bad nightmare.

I want things to be better. I want to be relevant for the first time since the mid to late 90s

I already told you that the only teams to plow in the darkest cellar for 3+ years and win a chip in the past 20 years are the Cavs and the Lakers, and both of them signed Lebron as a FA so they kinda cheated.

Yet former stuck in mediocre teams have won 3 of the last 5 chips.