Since I promised to stay out of the other thread, but have been summoned

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I looked up Laetrile and saw the most frequently cited article. I laughed when I saw they used the disreputable shill of the Big Pharma, the Quatchwatch doctor, Stephen Barrett as a source. I know about Laetrile because I once thought I had melanoma and used it to clear up my own symptoms, as well as the Budwig Protocol -- It was how I got involved in that alternative cancer treatment podcast. I also found through my own use that the claims of cyanide intolerance were much lower than the level I was using. In fact, if these peer-reviewed studies were correct, I would've been dead. This is the problem with capitalism, people will lie to advance their profits; they will skew studies; they will pay to get the results they want. Why do you think they are paying billions of dollars in fines each year because of putting products on the markets that harm or even kill people, products which the studies indicated that they are safe?

 

[Getting Traded]

https://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/laetrile.html

Stephen Barrett is a dishonest shill who has been sued many times for many false statements and reports. He's the real quack. I actually talked to him on the phone once and questioned him on this. Of course, he refused to reveal the source of his funding that pays for the law suits he has had to deal with.

 

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https://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/laetrile.html

This is a very one-sided report. I am not a huge supporter of Laetrile even though I used it. I do know you have to take care with its use because if your dose is too high, it can be poisonous, but you should note that chemo drugs are much more poisonous. And the bias in the medical industry is overwhelming just like it is with vaccines. I would recommend that people seek other means to cure their cancer because there are numerous means to do this that don't involve conventional chemo or radiation. You need to find what works best for you. The key is to keep your immune system healthy and both those methods seriously harm or even destroy your immune system.

 

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Stephen Barrett is a dishonest shill who has been sued many times for many false statements and reports. He's the real quack. I actually talked to him on the phone once and questioned him on this. Of course, he refused to reveal the source of his funding that pays for the law suits he has had to deal with.

I'm sure you can point out any arguments in his article on laetrile that were not accurate. I'll wait.

This is a very one-sided report. I am not a huge supporter of Laetrile even though I used it. I do know you have to take care with its use because if your dose is too high, it can be poisonous, but you should note that chemo drugs are much more poisonous.

Perhaps, but the chemotherapy drugs also kill the cancer, and laetrile does not. That's why the first are medicine, and the second is quackery.

And the bias in the medical industry is overwhelming ...

I agree they are biased. Their bias is toward stuff that works. If laetrile worked, the pharmaceutical industry would have pushed through an FDA approval, patented 15 different variations of the stuff with combinations of other medicines, and made a fortune on selling it, because that's what they do and have done for decades. However, the pharmaceutical industry has not pushed for laetrile approval, nor patented any versions of it, nor made any money selling it, because it does not work at killing cancer (although it's a good way to kill patients more quickly than the cancer would).

... just like it is with vaccines.

I'm biased toward vaccines as well. I'm biased toward kids not getting measles or meningitis when some carrier from a foreign country chooses to visit us. It used to be such carriers would not cause an outbreak of measles because so much of the population was vaccinated. Now, thanks to the arrogant quacks, we get measles outbreaks on a regular basis. Why are you biased toward giving kids measles?

I would recommend that people seek other means to cure their cancer because there are numerous means to do this that don't involve conventional chemo or radiation. You need to find what works best for you. The key is to keep your immune system healthy and both those methods seriously harm or even destroy your immune system.

Thank you for your recommendation that people take larger chances of their cancer recurring, and killing them. I recommend that people make choices that improve their life span and the length of time they would be cancer-free, which would be following the standard medical protocols.

 

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I looked up Laetrile and saw the most frequently cited article. I laughed when I saw they used the disreputable shill of the Big Pharma, the Quatchwatch doctor, Stephen Barrett as a source.

Is anything in that article inaccurate?

I know about Laetrile because I once thought I had melanoma and used it to clear up my own symptoms, as well as the Budwig Protocol -- It was how I got involved in that alternative cancer treatment podcast.

So, you misdiagnosed yourself with having a melanoma, engaged in a bunch of quackery to treat yourself for a disease you didn't have in the first place, and now credit all that quackery with have cured you of a disease you never had. OK.

I also found through my own use that the claims of cyanide intolerance were much lower than the level I was using. In fact, if these peer-reviewed studies were correct, I would've been dead.

So, you want me to trust that you were accurately measuring the amount of laetrile you were taking, and that you understand enough biology and chemistry to properly convert that into the level of cyanide in your blood? No, I don't think so.

This is the problem with capitalism, people will lie to advance their profits; they will skew studies; they will pay to get the results they want.

Whereas, all the quacks offer their services for free? Both the quacks and the medical practitioners charge for their services. The difference is the medical practitioners used services that have received outside verification for their effectiveness and and are subject to government review, unlike the quacks.

Why do you think they are paying billions of dollars in fines each year because of putting products on the markets that harm or even kill people, products which the studies indicated that they are safe?

Because there products come with medical purposes and medical approvals, unlike the quacks who make few actual promises and market their junk as nutritional supplements.

 

[Getting Traded]

Is anything in that article inaccurate?



So, you misdiagnosed yourself with having a melanoma, engaged in a bunch of quackery to treat yourself for a disease you didn't have in the first place, and now credit all that quackery with have cured you of a disease you never had. OK.



So, you want me to trust that you were accurately measuring the amount of laetrile you were taking, and that you understand enough biology and chemistry to properly convert that into the level of cyanide in your blood? No, I don't think so.



Whereas, all the quacks offer their services for free? Both the quacks and the medical practitioners charge for their services. The difference is the medical practitioners used services that have received outside verification for their effectiveness and and are subject to government review, unlike the quacks.



Because there products come with medical purposes and medical approvals, unlike the quacks who make few actual promises and market their junk as nutritional supplements.

Too many rebuttals to make. But as to my possible misdiagnosis, I agree it was never diagnosed by a medical professional, only that I had many symptoms and did have a mole removed that was considered pre-cancerous. It's not true though that Laetrile doesn't kill cancer, it does. According to the primitive science that was explained to me, is that it's the cyanide that kills the cancer and why you have to be careful about dosage because of that. However, some chemical mechanism in the Laetrile causes it to more readily bind with malignant cells and kills them not harming the rest of the body. Apparently, there must be some residual effect or you wouldn't have to be careful about dosage.

And yes, I was measuring dosage based on recommendations I had read about in an alternative medicine journal or website. I don't recall exactly how much, but I think started at 4 crushed apricot seeds blended in an organic fruit smoothie, slowly increasing it until I reached 20 or so, which is near, I believe, is close to the maximum recommended dosage. It was then I felt some fatigue as if I had reached my ceiling with it. One journal article that I found I believe on the American Cancer Society website said that 12, I think it was, of these apricot seeds would cause death because of cyanide poisoning. And as you see, I had already nearly doubled that. I did it everyday for about a month or so. In any case, my symptoms did diminish. But I have no clinical evidence.

All I know is that conventional cancer treatment is very toxic, and that if you can find ways to avoid it, then you should. Natural methods, if they don't cure you, at least offer a much less painful existence. In any case, your chances of surviving cancer are probably just as good with much less of the horrid pain caused by barbaric chemo and radiation.

Some may disagree with that. They think that natural treatments are as good as doing nothing. That's their prerogative. I'm on the side of doing as much as you can to make yourself healthy, and not doing unhealthy things like chemo and radiation that burn and fry your whole body, not just the cancer.

 

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Too many rebuttals to make. But as to my possible misdiagnosis, I agree it was never diagnosed by a medical professional, only that I had many symptoms and did have a mole removed that was considered pre-cancerous. It's not true though that Laetrile doesn't kill cancer, it does. According to the primitive science that was explained to me, is that it's the cyanide that kills the cancer and why you have to be careful about dosage because of that. However, some chemical mechanism in the Laetrile causes it to more readily bind with malignant cells and kills them not harming the rest of the body. Apparently, there must be some residual effect or you wouldn't have to be careful about dosage.

And yes, I was measuring dosage based on recommendations I had read about in an alternative medicine journal or website. I don't recall exactly how much, but I think started at 4 crushed apricot seeds blended in an organic fruit smoothie, slowly increasing it until I reached 20 or so, which is near, I believe, is close to the maximum recommended dosage. It was then I felt some fatigue as if I had reached my ceiling with it. One journal article that I found I believe on the American Cancer Society website said that 12, I think it was, of these apricot seeds would cause death because of cyanide poisoning. And as you see, I had already nearly doubled that. I did it everyday for about a month or so. In any case, my symptoms did diminish. But I have no clinical evidence.

All I know is that conventional cancer treatment is very toxic, and that if you can find ways to avoid it, then you should. Natural methods, if they don't cure you, at least offer a much less painful existence. In any case, your chances of surviving cancer are probably just as good with much less of the horrid pain caused by barbaric chemo and radiation.

Some may disagree with that. They think that natural treatments are as good as doing nothing. That's their prerogative. I'm on the side of doing as much as you can to make yourself healthy, and not doing unhealthy things like chemo and radiation that burn and fry your whole body, not just the cancer.

Wow. Just. Wow. Just. Wow. Just......wow.

 

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Wow. Just. Wow. Just. Wow. Just......wow.

You disagree that the chemo isn't horrible? I guess though if it means staying alive, you do it. I just don't know if you could have been spared that. It's moot now and I'm sure you would do it again. You had a happy ending.

 

[Gameface]

My goodness.

EM, for every post that redeems you there are 100 that condemn you.

I deem you the WORST poster in jazzfanz history.

I'm no fan of Dutch, and his crimes are far more ban-worthy than yours, but you are easily a worse person than he is.

Not just the anti-vax horse ****. But the stalking, and the "write-4-you" username when you are one of the worst writers on the site. The insecurity driven nonsense, the sensitivity to reasonable criticism. You make milktoast look bold.

 

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[Archie Moses]

My goodness.

EM, for every post that redeems you there are 100 that condemn you.

I deem you the WORST poster in jazzfanz history.

I'm no fan of Dutch, and his crimes are far more ban-worthy than yours, but you are easily a worse person than he is.

Not just the anti-vax horse ****. But the stalking, and the "write-4-you" username when you are one of the worst writers on the site. The insecurity driven nonsense, the sensitivity to reasonable criticism. You make milktoast look bold.

I'm going to have to step up my game.

Hehepeepeecaca.

 

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It's not true though that Laetrile doesn't kill cancer, it does. According to the primitive science that was explained to me, is that it's the cyanide that kills the cancer and why you have to be careful about dosage because of that.

They have tested laetrile. It didn't work. The person who explained the primitive science to you was some combination of deluded and and dishonest.

However, some chemical mechanism in the Laetrile causes it to more readily bind with malignant cells and kills them not harming the rest of the body. Apparently, there must be some residual effect or you wouldn't have to be careful about dosage.

No such mechanism exists.

And yes, I was measuring dosage based on recommendations I had read about in an alternative medicine journal or website. I don't recall exactly how much, but I think started at 4 crushed apricot seeds blended in an organic fruit smoothie, slowly increasing it until I reached 20 or so, which is near, I believe, is close to the maximum recommended dosage. It was then I felt some fatigue as if I had reached my ceiling with it. One journal article that I found I believe on the American Cancer Society website said that 12, I think it was, of these apricot seeds would cause death because of cyanide poisoning. And as you see, I had already nearly doubled that. I did it everyday for about a month or so. In any case, my symptoms did diminish. But I have no clinical evidence.

Nothing about dosage here: https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/treatment/cam/patient/laetrile-pdq

Since the toxicity of any poison is in part a factor of dosage compared to body weight, it's not a surprise you could exceed a potentially lethal dosage.

No one has clinical evidence for the effectiveness of laetrile, even when they go looking for it.

All I know is that conventional cancer treatment is very toxic, and that if you can find ways to avoid it, then you should.

I suppose it depends upon how much you enjoy living. Conventional treatments will generally prolong your lifespan, occasionally by decades, in return for several months of discomfort during therapy.

Natural methods, if they don't cure you, at least offer a much less painful existence.

So would taking lots of baths, but that doesn't cure cancer, either.

In any case, your chances of surviving cancer are probably just as good with much less of the horrid pain caused by barbaric chemo and radiation.

They are not "probably just as good", they are much worse. This has been studied. This is a known fact. By repeating the lie, you are encouraging other people to shorten their lives based on a lie. Doesn't that bother you?

Some may disagree with that. They think that natural treatments are as good as doing nothing. That's their prerogative.

Yes, it is my prerogative to state what all scientific studies have revealed to be true, and to encourage people to understand that their lives are likely to be shorter if they use alternative therapies. Now, if people want to choose a probably shorter life, that is their call. However, it should be a properly informed call on their part.

I'm on the side of doing as much as you can to make yourself healthy, and not doing unhealthy things like chemo and radiation that burn and fry your whole body, not just the cancer.

I understand you are on the side of having a shorter life. I'm just asking you to be honest with yourself about this consequence.