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Snyders failure to improve younger players costing the Jazz when their needed

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tleikheen

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Sucks that we have to hope Diaw,JJ,Ingles,Mack,GHill have big games for the Jazz to win while our talented high draft choices are buried on the end of the bench.

Throughout the years we've seen young players breakout in the playoffs after learning and gaining experience through the regular season and see older vets still producing but can't bring back the magic of their younger years.

JJ playing 31 minutes a night,will it be surprising to see him wear down and the shots start missing.Are Jazz fans still waiting for starting PF Diaw to have a big game,maybe get his 3 game totals of 6rebs and 17 pts in one game.Joe Ingles,who I definitely like to see the Jazz resign for all his intangibles is getting 33 minutes a game for 9ppg whereas the Jazz are needing PTS.Shane Mack who's struggling BUT who didn't think he wouldn't.Really shows that Snyder hasn't improved the younger players(Exum and Burks and even Hood).

GHill has played good ball but who'd deny he hasn't been outplayed by CPaul.CPaul has not been slowed down at all by GHill.Snyder even put Ingles height on CPaul in hopes to slow and disrupt CPaul.Good coaching to put Ingles height on CPaul ....no,Ingles is too slow.Exum has height and speed but Snyder failed to get Exum ready to play playoff basketball,he's glued to end of the bench when he has more speed and athleticism then all the other PG's ahead of him .Jazz fanz have witnessed it throughout the year in between his doghouse banishment's to the bench.

Sucks to see a fat 32 year old Raymond Felton and 37 year old Jamal Crawford push the ball up for Clippers while Exum and Burks sit.

And for those that think Snyder developed and made Gobert the great Center he is today,I think Gobert did more for winning than Snyder's coaching.In the end Jazz get into the playoffs but we should be watching Exum use his great speed and length to make the defense a weapon and get the Jazz some easy pts on fast breaks.We should be seeing Lyles contributing 3 pt shooting and his multidimensional game.We should be seeing the veterans coming in when needed instead of getting all the minutes and Jazz fans HOPING they can bring back the past and have a big game.
 
So our crappy young ish guys not developing is Snyder's fault, but then he didn't contribute to Rudy or haywards growth?

Makes sense


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OP spent last offseason saying that Exum would be better than Hill and anybody who disagreed was told they don't understand basketball.

Then when that didn't pan out, instead of admitting he was wrong, he spent all season blaming Snyder and anybody who disagreed was again told they don't understand basketball.

This is just more of the same drivel.
 
dipship31 said:
So our crappy young ish guys not developing is Snyder's fault, but then he didn't contribute to Rudy or haywards growth?

Makes sense


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WTF kind of logic is this? Gobert and Hayward are literally the two players that average the most minutes per game on the Jazz.
 
No coach is going to play 15 guys in the playoffs. No coach is going to play Trey Lyles after the year he's had and it's not because Snyder or the coaching staff didn't want to develop him. It's because he's fat and plays bad. We're playing our best guys, the guys who got us 50 wins this year... and Derrick Favors.
 
OP has a point somewhat. Would Exum, Burks, Lyles be difference makers in this series...don't know, but probably not. Whether it's Quin's fault or not, I am disappointed that we're totally relying on our old guys in the playoffs without giving our young players any experience at all. It's like a wasted year for them. If Exum breaks out next season, he still has zero playoff experience under his belt, whichl will hurt the team. I thought part of the purpose for bringing in the vets was to help mentor/guide the young players so that they can eventually stand up on their own. Right now, if Hill leaves, JJ/Diaw left, the Jazz start back over as a borderline lottery team. Only Gobert and Hayward have shown any growth this season, every one of our other young players have regressed.
 
dipship31 said:
Yeah and I am saying Quin deserves some credit for the players they've turned into


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Ok, if you're saying he deserves some credit for good development and some credit for bad development, then fine. But the way you said it made it seem like you didn't agree with the OP at all (i.e. Snyder only does good).

And even regarding Gobert and Hayward, I think Snyder doesn't deserve much credit. Hayward was already getting plenty of playing time before Snyder was coach and Snyder literally didn't play Gobert a lot of minutes until Kanter was traded.
 
magic said:
Ok, if you're saying he deserves some credit for good development and some credit for bad development, then fine. But the way you said it made it seem like you didn't agree with the OP at all (i.e. Snyder only does good).

And even regarding Gobert and Hayward, I think Snyder doesn't deserve much credit. Hayward was already getting plenty of playing time before Snyder was coach and Snyder literally didn't play Gobert a lot of minutes until Kanter was traded.
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Um that's not true. Kanter literally threw a fit and asked for a trade because Snyder was giving his minutes to Rudy.
 
magic said:
Ok, if you're saying he deserves some credit for good development and some credit for bad development, then fine. But the way you said it made it seem like you didn't agree with the OP at all (i.e. Snyder only does good).

And even regarding Gobert and Hayward, I think Snyder doesn't deserve much credit. Hayward was already getting plenty of playing time before Snyder was coach and Snyder literally didn't play Gobert a lot of minutes until Kanter was traded.
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Playing time is not at all the only means by which a player can improve.

Gobert has transformed himself from a total liability on offense to the 2nd most efficient roll-man in the NBA - it's well documented that the the coaches worked with him tirelessly on that. But despite all this, the main factor in his improvement wasn't that he was getting playing time or that the coaches were working long hours with him. It's simply that Rudy wanted to be great.

Time will tell with Lyles and Exum - but it's not like the coaches have given up on them. Player development takes both sides.
 
MT Steve said:
OP spent last offseason saying that Exum would be better than Hill and anybody who disagreed was told they don't understand basketball.

Then when that didn't pan out, instead of admitting he was wrong, he spent all season blaming Snyder and anybody who disagreed was again told they don't understand basketball.

This is just more of the same drivel.
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Exum will be a very good player, maybe better than Hill, and Quin will have a big role in making that happen. I can't think of too many franchises that develop player better than the Jazz, maybe the Spurs.
 
Lol. Great thread, lots of great things in here. Cannot emphasize enough the greatness of this conversation.
 
You say wrong coach, I say wrong players.

Some of them may be wrong because of injury, or circumstances, but they are still not the right fit.
 
1. They're*
2. Who is Shane Mack?
3. Burks has not been playing well lately plus he's been out with a knee injury, that's why he's not playing.
4. Exum hasn't played yet because Quin is going with who he believes has the hot hand at PG on a given night. It's not an age issue. He played Neto last game.
5. Lyles has played terrible all year. He was given opportunity and struggled big time. Shoving him in there in the playoffs isn't going to help his confidence. He needs to reset this offseason.
6. Quin is a good coach. Give him a break.
 
Neto is the case in point that Quin doesn't developed the young ones like he could. Even when theyou are ready to contribute (Neto), they still can't find minutes in the playoffs.
 
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